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⌈ Secret Post #2041 ⌋

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Eh, Moses was a dick in that movie anyway. He finds out he's adopted and runs away from home, then comes back to kill his nephew and free a bunch of people who he really couldn't give two shits about before a) he found out he was one of them and b) God threatened him. By far the least sympathetic character in the PoE.

Because finding out your adopted and that the guy you thought was your father was behind the genocide of your biological 'people' is no big, right? And fear of the repercussions of killing a guy totally isn't enough to spook someone in to running away, yeah? Realizing that everything you thought you were was a sham? Just another Tuesday, know what I mean?

So, what I'm hearing here is if your world gets rocked to its core, you're a dick if you don't just shrug it off. Gotcha.

Geez.

Not touching on the religious shit here, because I'm probably stirring the wank enough here.

Ngl if a big scary sounding disembodied voice came from the general direction of a burning bush that appeared to be threatening me I'd do whatever the heck it told me to do as well - I mean, that had to be pretty frightening.

Other than the other stuff you've said. I had nothing more to add really.

tbh, not caring about the genocide until it was against his ~people~ really does make him a dick.

You can't really pass judgment on him as an individual, though... he was sheltered and raised to believe he was chosen and deserving and better than all those lowly people and never had any other reason to believe otherwise. As soon as he did have a reason to believe it, he changed. I'm not saying it's an excuse for what he did, but most people who were raised like him would've turned out the same way.

I always got the impression that he didn't really know about what was going on/had happened with the Jews until he met Miriam & Aaron. Sheltered and all that.

To play devil's advocate, the very first scene we see of him as a young man is him racing a chariot around a building site littered with Hebrew slaves. It's probably not the first time he's been there, either. The impression from the film is that finding out that he was a Hebrew was what opened his eyes to the slaves.

Technically, not Jews- Israelites or Hebrews. The Hebrew equivalent of Jew doesn't show up until way later in the Bible. In the time of Moses, the Israelites were separated into twelve tribes with the tribe of Joseph further separated into the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. Since Jew comes from Judah, most Israelites would not consider themselves Jews at that time.

To be honest, I just hate the "You're not my REAL parents!" stupidity. They loved you and cared for you when, at least in this movie, they had every reason to drown your stupid ass. THEY ARE YOUR REAL PARENTS.

Every time genetics trumps an actual lifetime of love and support, I am inclined not to like the character. Other factors aside.

So ~~Patrick Stewart~~ Pharoah being a loving parent means Moses has to be okay with the new knowledge about his ordering children to be slaughtered, including Moses himself? Yeah ... no.

But Moses still always considered Ramses his brother. I'd say he significantly cared more about Ramses than either Miriam or Aaron, his biological siblings. Plus, IIRC, he was always close to/cared for his adoptive mother as well. Nice of you to overlook that part.

Except, IIRC, Pharaoh wasn't very supportive. Took him in, yes, but he cared little for Moses when Ramses around from what I recall.

Adoptive mom cared, but.

Also, he never said he gave no fucks about his adoptive family. He PLEADED with Ramses--MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES.

Clearly he cared about the people he was only related by blood more.

I always got the impression that Seti--at least movie!version--wasn't so much about caring for one son more than the other, but rather more about "Rameses is going to inherit the throne one day, so I have to make sure that I teach him to rule and treat him in a way that prepares him for the throne." From the few scenes you get of interaction between the three, at least... Seti listens to Moses' opinions on what might and might not help Rameses grow as a person and actually implements them, so there's that, too.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-08-05 02:21 (UTC) - Expand

idk if it's as much a case of genetics > actual lifetime of love and support as it was a case of "this is a really complex situation."

I mean, in a period of 24 hours, Moses found out that he was adopted (SURPREIS), and he seemed to be dealing with it okay, especially after the talk he has with his mother (here; from 1:58). Still, even with that love and support, knowing that you've been raised with a silver spoon in your mouth solely because your adopted parents tried to murder you as an infant and still continue to enslave your people is pretty jarring, so he's staggered when he goes to join Rameses on the building field the next day. He actually notices the mistreatment of the Hebrew slaves for the first time, and probably because of a heavy dose of guilt plus being so jarred from the previous night's revelations, he goes to do something about it, and accidentally kills a man.

So he's got a lot going on there, but it's not about genetics. It's about Moses himself. Can he really stand by anymore and continue to enslave these people? What if his continued presence causes problems? Is it really okay to be absolved of all responsibility for killing a man just because you're pharaoh's kid? Things like that.

Theoretically, you could take away the blood > bond stuff and still tell the same story, with some minor tweaks, but well... they were going off of source material. Granted, the source material had Moses knowing all along that he was a Hebrew and not actually part of pharaoh's family, but. Details.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-08-05 00:33 (UTC) - Expand

The way it come off to me was that it was less you're not my real parents and more oh, you wanted me dead.

Wait, wait... Moses is Loki?

You win this thread!

...that would explain why I don't like either of them. THE COMPARISON IS SOUND.

The sheer number of "All I Ever Wanted" videos that feature Loki on YouTube is either-- astounding or depressing. I'm not sure which.

"then comes back to kill his nephew"

Uh, no, that was God who did that.

I see him as a traitor to the people who loved him and raised him tbh

Because finding out that those self-same people tried to kill him and all of those like him shouldn't have mattered.

He hadn't really interacted with them before, and at the beginning of the movie, they weren't People.

Then he found out he is one, and it actually got him thinking.

Also, he WARNED Ramses. He PLEADED with him. MULTIPLE TIMES. There is even and entire song where he's practically begging his brother to just let his people go because he knows it's ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.

Oh.

That makes it all alright then.

Is it "alright" that Rameses saw what was happening to his country and just kept going nooooooope, gotta have my slaves?

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