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[ SECRET POST #208 ]

⌈ Secret Post #208 ⌋

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3. Hmm...I don't really know what this fandom is, but you wrote "talentless" and then "trained to sing well". Contradicting yourself, lulz. XD

8. Amen, I totally agree with you. Books 1-3 were great, and it was so easy to sit there just such a thrill and a desire finish the page to see what was going to happen next, but it took me almost two years to finish GoF because I kept stopping. I just couldn't get through it, and one day I finally was able to tug through it when it got a bit more interesting the second half. OotP was even worse! I'm still on the first few chapters, and have been for at least a year. 8/ I'll be 30 by the time I finish the HP series, if ever. It just got so bloody boring after Azkaban!

13. ...Aja? XD;; ~~oh god, what's with the "PPL", hun?~~ ...and if this is someone else, oh c'mon. :P Who is to say that ENGLISH even exists in the world of Hagaren then? Automatically making English terms the default language just because there is no Japan mentioned is pretty hypocritical.

17. Well, you're certainly not alone. Even when he was killing "people just doing their jobs", I still totally agreed with him. :3 I don't care what it says about me, but I can never understand people who ever looked as Light as a "villain" of any sort.

Re: 13, while I would agree that you can't automatically assume it's English they're speaking, I think the linguistic origins of names like "Edward Elric" are going to put you a lot closer to that than to Japanese. Still an assumption? Yes. A much more reasonable assumption than Japanese, though, IMO.

Not really, considering the original script of the series was written in the language of Japanese. You could pick random languages out of a hat, but Japanese will always have the highest priority for theories on what language the character's speak, since it was originally done in Japanese. Hagaren could be a world where there's no Japan, and all the characters speak Japanese regardless (for example), if you really want to start making random theories about it. :3

Documents in the series were shown to be written in English.

Alright, thank you then! :3

Mm, I don't really put the language the series was presented in as the highest priority for what the characters are meant to be speaking, because if I woke up tomorrow and decided to go write something set in Russia, it would still be in English because I don't speak Russian. I don't think the language of the presentation and the language the characters are really using necessarily have any relation at all, and the names and setting look to be far more European influenced than Asian, I think.

...god why am I nitpicking at a fandom I left like two years ago, wtf me. XD

Yes! I don't really know much indepth about Hagaren myself (I just watched the anime series), but a friend who is up-to-date with the manga said it's kind of European, so *shrug* who knows. :P What I meant was though that if you really want to say that there's no Japan in a series, so therefore they don't speak Japanese BECAUSE of that fact, then you're starting to bring in theories of exactly where the world of Hagaren is in. The thing is that we don't know (apparently, considering all this wank XD). So, since we don't know 100%, the only clue would be Japanese, which is what the original was spoken in. No one knows though, that's really the point, but then it's not really fair to discredit anything else if you don't know.

So. I CALL FOR A HAGAREN FANFIC WITH RUSSIAN TERMS. XD

Re: 13

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Re: 13

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Actually, the official names list the character's name as "Edward Elric," and there are correct English spellings for the other characters as well. So any debate on whether "there is english" or whether "aru" is correct is all kind of moot. Geez, people.

Yesh, I mainly was speaking in terms of the language, such as discrediting the use of "Nii-san" etc. :3

17. But what about people who are wrongfully convicted? Media doesn't always have correct information and can be biased. :/ I wouldn't call him a villain but he was no saint. But the saying goes as, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely". I think Light could have done the right thing with the Death Note but instead, started looking at anyone who said it was wrong as a challenge to his "authority".

If we're going with sayings, "you have to break some eggs to make an omelette." From a moral pov, it's kinda iffy. From a utilitarian pov, Light had the damn right idea.

Yeah, you have a point there! 8D There's always the "innocent until proven guilty" saying, and that I agree with because there always is the chance that the person convicted is innocent.

Though, that's really how things are based in our part of the world. In other countries, they will kill you dead on the spot if they think you did something -- in our country this is considered very wrong, but in the other countries it's considered perfectly fine; it's just the norm. We think this is wrong, but maybe it's not, who knows? In the end, Justice is really what is most popularly believed in it's part of the world, and that's how I like to keep an open-mind and think maybe Light was Justice in his ways.

Re 17: I don't care what it says about me, but I'm sure Light isn't a real person. So Light shouldn't really affect your... personality/ethics/whatever wtf I don't know :\

Oh wait -- yes, that's true. Though, the point is that WE'RE real people, and Light the character was a theory, so really it's a kind of discussion-thing like "If the sky were purple, would you like it?" even if it isn't purple.

Like I said, it probably shouldn't affect you. Because, wtf man, that's just stupid if it does.

...you sure like the word "affect", huh? :D

not the op

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Re: not the op

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His intentions were originally pure, and in another universe, they could even be considered normal. This is the way I look at it: what is the definition of "moral"? What if you had no base of moral, and was starting fresh in your beliefs? Would Light's way of law ever be considered good in that predicament, or would you still believe the same thing you do now? Think about it. That's really the point I was trying to make. :3

HAY HAY, EVERYONE COME ATTACK MEEEE~! ♥

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Yes, but again, you're going on a base of belief that killing people convicted of doing terrible crimes without trial is automatically wrong in moral. I'm not saying it's right, of course it's not right! XD See, I'm just saying it could happen if the ball was kicked in the opposite direction in terms of the beliefs of civilization. If decades ago, when we didn't have this frame of prosecution, and Light's beliefs had been set as law when we didn't have any frame for law, it would be happening today like it was the most normal thing on earth. That's just what I'm trying to say.

Of course I can understand, that was the whole point of speaking my personal opinion on it. XD; I just chose not to see him as a villain myself (~~HE IS MISUNDERSTOOD EMO KID!!11! D':~~). To me a villain is a person who kills to harm others, to get a sick thrill of it, to ruin lives -- to me, Light was killing to reach a bigger goal of world peace...okay, so maybe it's not that "rainbow-y", but something like that.

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Haha, yeah, this is the first time I've had such heated debates here though. XD

...and I did not say "it was a good idea". Considering the definition of a character's beliefs in a fictional book is far different from wanting them to become a reality.

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Alrighty! *thumbs up*

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