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[ SECRET POST #2061 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2061 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Xena: Warrior Princess]

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[tales of symphonia]

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[The Girl From Tomorrow]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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[Lamento -Beyond the Void-]

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[Aidan Gillen]

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[Skyrim]

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[Touhou Project]

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[Total Recall]

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[Castle]

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[Spyro the Dragon]

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12. [SPOILERS for the Dark Knight Rises]

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13. [SPOILERS for Digimon 02]

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14. [SPOILERS for the Borgias]

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15. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia]

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16. [SPOILERS for asoiaf/game of thrones]

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17. [SPOILERS for A Dance With Dragons]

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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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19. [WARNING for pedophilia, rape, child abuse]

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I have a snuff fetish.

Yeah, it's disturbing and wrong, yadda yadda. I keep it to myself in real life, and explore it online. While art and stories and chats are exciting to me, I avoid real life photos of executions. Because it's just ... wrong. Those are real people and I shouldn't be getting off on real death. So I don't. I'm even against the death penalty in real life. Having talked to other people with snuff fetishes online, the "against the death penalty" thing seems to be pretty common among us. A lot of us aren't even into roleplaying fantasies in real life because of danger and such, just keeping it online.

So I understand where you're coming from, kind of, when you were getting off on the fake art and not the real photos.

I don't think snuff/loli-CP are comparable. Mainly because things like snuff/horror are seen as cathartic to people. I don't get turned on by snuff but I still watch films like Sado, Cannible Holocaust, I Spit On Your Grave ect-which are 'real' images (as in more real than drawn images/written word)and there's no real difference between these films and snuff junk you find on the internet (actually, there might be, but let's not turn this into a film discussion).

Alot of people do this, wheather they realize it or not, they're experiencing catharsis and that's considered healthy. But CP/loli/shotawhatever, is nothing but porn. There's no literary/artistic/intellectual merit to porn. In short, your snuff (or what your snuff is derivative from) is different from loli/shota.

Um ... yeah, no. I'm sorry, but you don't seem to understand here.

I get off on the snuff stuff. A small but significant group of other people do as well. I could post links but I don't want to freak you out. It might be "cathartic" for some people, but I've had lengthy discussions about how arousing it is to imagine someone jerking and twisting to death at the end of a rope, preferably whilst naked. (And don't even get me started on the impaling people, you don't have to be Freud to get the symbolism of that.) There's lots and lots of naked ladies in various states of distress and/or death. And some guys. It's porn. Sometimes people bring in historical trivia to spice things up, or try and figure out why exactly it turns us on, but mostly it's just porn. It excites us and we fap about it.

Some people watch exploitation films like you mentioned to be shocked or horrified. Some people watch them because the juxtaposition of sex and death turns them on. And it's not just those kinds of movies, I've watched perfectly respectable historical films and gotten excited by an execution scene. In the places I go online for this fetish, people like to trade titles of movies and episodes of tv shows with especially "good" execution scenes. We find material in mainstream movies and tv exciting, because it's such a specific fetish.

I brought up the comparison because of the similarity between "real live vs. drawings and art." I, and other people with snuff fetishes, don't get off on the real life stuff and are in fact opposed to the death penalty in real life, but we get off on imagined scenarios. I thought this was an interesting parallel, perhaps.
This of course brings up all kinds or moral debates that I'm not going to get into, but I thought it was a valid comparison and that the secret maker might find interesting.

I'm not the anon you responded to, but I understand what your saying. People are perfectly capable of separating fiction and reality and probably have vastly different opinions on something that is real and something that is completely fictional. It's not like your actually advocating it in real life. It's safe in fiction because it harms nobody.

People who think that liking a kink that is made up with fictional people/scenarios is harmful or advocating that behavior are the same as people who think games like GTA make every video game player want to go shoot people and steal cars. It's.Not.The.Same.

Not denying that there are sick freaks who would actually want to use something fictional to reenact, but we can't censor and ban everything. It's better people be allowed to keep their kinks in fiction, because most people are capable of keeping it there. Only when it becomes reality is it a problem, not before.

People are perfectly capable of separating fiction and reality and probably have vastly different opinions on something that is real and something that is completely fictional. It's not like your actually advocating it in real life. It's safe in fiction because it harms nobody.
Indeed. And while loli and shota are squicky to me and make me uncomfortable, I do make a connection between art of fake kids that people look at for pleasure, and art of fake executions that I look at for pleasure. It's a situation that would horrify most of us in real life, but excites some of us in the realm of fantasy.

People who think that liking a kink that is made up with fictional people/scenarios is harmful or advocating that behavior are the same as people who think games like GTA make every video game player want to go shoot people and steal cars. It's.Not.The.Same.
Amen to that!

Not denying that there are sick freaks who would actually want to use something fictional to reenact, but we can't censor and ban everything. It's better people be allowed to keep their kinks in fiction, because most people are capable of keeping it there. Only when it becomes reality is it a problem, not before.
Very true. But there's always the small percentage of people who can't separate fantasy and reality that make everyone else look bad.
Of course when it comes to kids, people think that even fictional material is harmful. Have people done studies about that?
I'd rather someone was buying loli or shota manga online and enjoying it in the privacy of their own home than staring out the window at real kids or thinking about kidnapping one. Have there been studies about whether it exacerbates or helps pedophiles and hebephiles? It can squick people no matter what, but if it actually helps prevent real harm from coming to real kids, I think it should be allowed.

Now, real kids in porn videos ... no. That is just plain wrong, and people who support that in any way are just as guilty as the people with the cameras. You can't justify that in any way shape or form. Those are real kids being traumatized, and by creating a demand for movies with human beings in them, you're endangering more kids.

You make an excellent point. Some people should come down from their high horse when they keep blabbing that loli/shota fans can't distuingish the fiction from reality. I'm not loli/shota fan and, yes I find it freaky like I find many other fetishes (yours too, sorry), but I'm getting really fucking annoyed how some people pretty much glorify rape and torture and other shit but totally condemn other fetishes. They keep saying "Oh I'm not into this in real life at all."
Well, what makes it any different than shota/loli then? If viewing shota/loli means you somehow accept sexualizying children and are more likely to so yourself, then doesn't your rape fantasies mean you also in somehow accept rape and are more likely to act up on these feelings? See the double standard here? And then some people go blabbing that "No, it's different because it's adults and adults aren't helpless and blah blah!"
Well, haven't you heard that in MANY real life cases the raped woman was a helpless VICTIM? There have been gang rapes and all that shit. Are you somehow saying that just because the woman theoretically could defend herself, it makes rape more acceptable? I mean... geez!
At least admit it that your rape fantasy is just as fucked up as shota/loli. Also, by your logic isn't regular porn, violence, and all that shit glorifying hating women and killing other people? How come it's only shota/loli which would have real life consequences. I don't understand.

To be fair, some people in this thread have said that rape fantasies are just as bad as loli/shota due to their potential to lead to real harm. So, there are at least a few logically consistent individuals in this mess.

DA *raises hand* I'm a logically consistent individual!

I'm getting really fucking annoyed how some people pretty much glorify rape and torture and other shit but totally condemn other fetishes.
Yeah, judging other people's fetishes when you yourself have a pretty dark or weird one isn't fair.

They keep saying "Oh I'm not into this in real life at all."
What? Um, despite my taste in porn and erotic stories, I don't actually want to go out and murder people. I feel bad when I have to squash an ant, for god's sake. And having talked to a lot of people who share snuff fetishes, the stance of being against the death penalty in real life is actually pretty common among us. Some people want to experiment with autoerotic asphyxiation, but that's a surprisingly common fetish and everyone is aware of how dangerous it is and telling each other to be careful if they attempt it.

then doesn't your rape fantasies mean you also in somehow accept rape and are more likely to act up on these feelings?
I think you need to do some reading about rape fantasies, or listen to some podcasts by Dan Savage where he discusses that with callers.
A rape fantasy where a woman imagines herself as the "victim" (men can have this fantasy too, but women seem to have it more) seems to be tied up with society's view that women shouldn't want sex, or she grew up thinking that sex wasn't something she should want, or rough sex wasn't something she should want, so a fantasy situation where she and her partner agree on a safeword and he holds her down and she has "no choice" (though she could stop it at any time if she wanted to with the safeword) enables her to have sex but feel like because she didn't want it, she's not "bad." Some people prefer the term "ravishment fantasy" to distinguish between consensual roleplay and real life assault. People with this fantasy don't actually want to be raped, they want a scenario they can secretly control but pretend they're helpless in. Sometime people who've been raped use a roleplay scene to work through some of their trauma. Not everyone, but some people have found it helpful to them.

I'm not explaining it as well as Dan Savage has, or other articles I've read about it. I encourage you to do some reading before making judgements on what is admittedly a polarizing topic.

Here's an article that explains things better than I can, I think: http://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com/blogs/2012/05/50-shades-willing-victim-beg-me-why-is-the-rape-fantasy-so-appealing

You're looking to Dan Savage to explain female sexuality? Sorry, automatic fail.

Yes, completely ignore my giant paragraphs and link to an article written by a woman that backs up everything I've said and the things I've heard on Dan Savage's podcast.
Or you could, y'know do some reading instead of saying "lol Dan Savage: FAIL."

No, I'm taking into account Dan Savage is the same jerkass who told a rape victim that she needs to get back in the bedroom and start satisfying her husband ( http://www.womanist-musings.com/2010/11/dan-savage-attacks-rape-survivor-while.html ), so he should not be treated as any kind of authority on the subject of women and sex.

Also, if it's a control fantasy that's 100% consensual, it's not rape. Period. End. Calling it "rape fantasy" not only enables rape culture, but helps to downplay and normalize rape itself (because if women can fantasize about it and get off on it, it can't be that bad, right?)

Look, I don't want to get into an argument about Dan Savage and some of the awful things he's said. I enjoy his columns and his podcast. Do I agree with everything he says? Hell no. But about 80-90% of the time, he's giving good advice about subjects most advice columnists won't touch. As a bisexual I get pretty mad at him for repeated comments that bisexuality is rare and in ten years we'll either be straight or gay, and some of his transphobic comments in the past have made me question continuing to follow him, but then I listen to dozens of episodes of his podcast and realize that while he says assholey things from time to time in public talks at colleges and such, that's not an accurate representation of him.
He is an asshole? Yeah, sometimes very much so. But I'm gonna keep listening to him because he's not an asshole most of the time.

A quote from the article you sent me bothered me a lot though:
"And how dare he suggest that she needs to press charges. After being violated in this way, the last thing you need is someone telling you what to do, let alone a misogynist asshole who has all the sensitivity and caring of a drive time shock jock. If a woman chooses not to press charges that is her right and how dare he sit in judgment of her decisions when the criminal justice system regularly puts rape survivors on trial rather than the rapists themselves."
He said "I hope you went to the police and I hope you're pressing charges." Not "you HAVE TO go to the police and press charges." He's said stuff like that on his podcast quite a bit, that it's up to the person themselves whether to report rape or sexual abuse. I don't understand why Renee Martin had such a violent reaction to him telling a rape victim he "hopes" she's seeking legal action against a rapist.

Also, if it's a control fantasy that's 100% consensual, it's not rape. Period. End. Calling it "rape fantasy" not only enables rape culture, but helps to downplay and normalize rape itself (because if women can fantasize about it and get off on it, it can't be that bad, right?)
That's why a lot of people in the BDSM scene prefer to call it "ravishment fantasy." People are slowly transitioning to that, but sometimes it's easier for people to say "rape fantasy" and have other people understand what they mean.

Sure, justify it and rationalize it any way you like. IMO you're supporting a misogynistic, transphobic, biphobic asshole who's really doing far more harm than he will ever do good with a lot of his "advice", and treating a man as an expert on women's issues. And that makes you a fucking idiot who isn't worth listening to.

Ok, so we can't have a discussion about this. More's the pity.
If I hadn't listed Dan Savage as one of my examples, would you have listened to anything I had to say, or are you just using him as an excuse to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore everything I'm saying about ravishment fantasies?

Nope, I wouldn't have listened to it anyway. People who even try to legitimize "rape fantasy" in any manner are also fucking idiots who aren't worth listening to.

(are you always this bad at getting the hint, or are you being especially dense today?)

*sighs* Well, thank you for being honest at least.

sorry dude your "comparison" backfired you're one sick puppy too man

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