[ SECRET POST #2066 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2066 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm amused at how many people on this thread seem to think this idea is a whacky little bit of Jewish tradition that only applies to the ultra-religious, as opposed to a foundation of Judaism.

Newsflash, liberal and reform Judaism is just another sect of a very large whole, and just because they're louder doesn't mean they're right.

[(Anonymous)]

Ultra-religious and ultra-conservative are NOT the same thing. Liberal and reform Jewish people aren't necessarily less religious, they just practice is a different manner.

[(Anonymous)]

A manner that involves ignoring basic things like keeping kosher and forgetting the sabbath, only fasting once a year and not even feeling guilty about anything I just mentioned?

[(Anonymous)]

SA

And I say this as a very secular Jew. I'm not out to justify the fact that I don't want to be a particularly observant Jew in the way things have been laid out for centuries. It's not impossible, I just don't want to do it. But at least I'll admit it instead of saying none of it is necessary.

[(Anonymous)]

Religions involved. Some things become outdated for certain people. Get over it. It's not your job to question their religious identity.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not your job to question their religious identity.

Do you know anything about the Jewish people? This is all we do! We don't go around bothering people of other religions, we simply harangue our own.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you even be Jewish without guilt?

[(Anonymous)]

Better that your ass-backwards religion dies out, just like you people apparently want.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly where is your ass supposed to be? On your front?

[(Anonymous)]

I have never in my life used or heard backwards as a synonym for the anatomical posterior rather than "wrong direction". Also, it's a colloquialism. It doesn't have to make sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Then any Christian who doesn't follow all Ten Commandments to the T is not a Christian, by this logic.

[(Anonymous)]

By this logic any Christian who says he doesn't have to follow to ten commandments isn't a Christian.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that that's exactly what the New Testament says...?

[(Anonymous)]

Actually. Jesus says you have to observe the old laws (he was a Jew, ffs) - Paul says you don't. And depending on your theological opinions, Paul (who never met Jesus, btw, and came many years afterwards), may or may not be full of shit.

Unfortunately Catholicism is based on Pauline doctrine, which is basically "let's ignore large chunks of what Jesus said and interpret elements of the Bible in wildly offensive ways" (original sin, women are the root of it for taking the apple, etc.)

So it all comes down to your views on Paul, basically. Though most Christians in North America like to spout old testament out of one side of their mouths and say it's meaningless out of the other (at their convenience, of course)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, what nonsense are you spouting? Catholicism's the one that says your actions and sins matter: Calvinism is the thing that says it doesn't matter whether you keep any of the commandments. Catholicism is the one that reads and uses the Gospels very heavily: various Protestant sects are the ones that say only the Epistles count for Christians, and that what Jesus said only counted for Jews (seriously, the noisy Chick-like tiny Protestant groups believe some very odd new things).

Given that Catholicism (like Orthodoxy) is based on the Tradition that produced the whole New Testament, claiming that their beliefs are derived from the Pauline epistles is just funny.

[visp]

Wow. Your understanding of Christianity is pretty flawed. As in, I think you learned it from an anime board or something.

[(Anonymous)]

And exactly how many Orthodox Jews bring animals to priests for ritual slaughtering? How many refuse to bear grudges or take revenge? How many give sin and guilt offerings when they have done wrong? How many live outside Israel who have the means of relocating there? There are numerous things that Orthodox Jews find unreasonable to do in this day and age that were very clearly required of the Hebrews, so trying to say non-Orthodox Jews are somehow not Jews because they don't follow certain commandments is a terrible argument.

[(Anonymous)]

lol, idiot. there's no temple so the offerings are obsolete, it's a non-issue.
and the issue of living in israel is a sticky one, though yeah, they probably should. but there have been jewish communities outside of the land of israel since the time of the first temple, so that's one thing.

and just because some people don't fulfill everything doesn't mean they aren't trying their best. not keeping anything at all is not trying your best in any way.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I think all branches of Judaism are probably objectively wrong, because they all believe in something that has no empirical evidence. The Reform and Conservative movements just piss me off less, because they're less sanctimonious and misogynistic. And don't even start on that "women have fewer responsibilities because they're inherently closer to G-d" bullshit.