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fandomsecrets2012-09-01 03:47 pm
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-01 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-09-01 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)why is important to make distinction? idk ... some pedos are only into very young children ... under 5 ... but not separate category for that. i dont rly understand importance to distinguish? many types of pedo will have very limited age bracket he is most into, and most likely to molest, but, it seems like most of them will still prefer anyone under 18, whereas average non-pedo prefer anyone over 18. is there a reason i'm not realizing to make distinction?
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-01 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)i mean, it wasn't that long ago that 16 year olds were getting married. hell, my grandmother got married at 14. and it wasn't because my grandfather was a pedo, it was because that was seen as normal for the culture at the time.
i'm not saying I think it's a good idea for people to get married in their teens, goodness no, but one is a cultural difference between what people think of as an adult, and the other is a clear biological difference. just because we've arbitrarily decided in some countries that "18 means you're an adult" doesn't mean that you magically become mature at age 18 and the day before you do you're an immature brat.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 12:28 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 01:45 am (UTC)(link)you dont magically change bcuz u turn 18, but u do change in a big way once u graduate high school which generally happens around 18
ya, kids used to be treated more like mini adults, but non-abused kids in western countries are treated a lot more like kids today
and i feel that high school environments really do encourage u to be a kid, to be really involved in ur own world and ur social hierarchy, and to really see "adults" (anyone who graduated high school) as "other" and either "authority figure" or "person to rebel against/seek approval from"
as smart as someone can be i think there is a lot of naivete and a weird dynamic with adults that is forced on any student in a pubic school, and its just so much easier for someone even a little older to seriously take advantage of someone not yet in the "adult world" (from my personal experience)
i gss i see what u are saying about distinguishing but most of my confusion comes from - isnt there not a distinction like that? most of the pedos ive met (talking about abuse that happened to me, i dont hang out with pedos) werent JUST into kids. they were into anyone but preferred people from 1 month old to under 18, basically for the manipulative factor. idk, maybe this is more coming from a "theory of pedophilia" where its less about attraction and more about power. if there are a type of pedo specifically attracted to people only after puberty but under 18 then i suppose that warrants a term. i just was not really aware of this.
my main issue with ephebophile stuff today or whatever u call it is i think the 'barely legal' fetish goes with this and goes along with encouraging ppl to infantilize women or actually go after children...idk
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 02:00 am (UTC)(link)pubic school
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 02:07 am (UTC)(link)anyway, most of the teenagers in fandom have "adult" concerns, or even come from worlds that have different standards of being an 'adult', so saying "18 is when people graduate from high school" is still pretty arbitrary. heck, these days in western society college is considered a normal extension of school, so you could say that nobody's adult until they're 22 if we're going by those standards.
i get that you've been abused, and probably your perspective is affecting you, and I'm sorry about what happened to you--I was also molested at 7, so I get it--but that still doesn't mean that pedophilia and ephebophilia is the same thing. it's not.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-02 02:26 am (UTC)(link)i mainly use my experience as a basis for theory
i'm not trying to say pedophilia and ephebophilia are exactly the same
just that in most actual offenders, it's not either/or. they will be happy to offend against anyone from childhood to high school age. for them, it's about the power and societal taboo. *shrug* i guess it comes down to a disagreement about what most pedophiles are. a lot of people think it's based on attraction, in which case these distinctions are meaningful. i think it's based on power, like any other sort of rape. but in the case of pedophiles, i think it's based on such a deep underlying security that full fledged adults are too threatening for them to approach. in this case, the distinction is not terribly important.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-04 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)Let's say you're right, based on your experience with offenders (those who act on their attractions to minors) that they are motivated by power differential and therefore both pre- and post-pubescent children are attractive to them. However, those who act on their attractions to minors do not constitute the entire population of people who have such attractions. Right? You admit your experience comes only from those who act on their attractions; if we drew it as a Venn diagram, the population you have knowledge of would be a circle, and the population you're trying to generalize about is a larger circle, of which your knowledge is only a part. How much larger is the larger circle? By definition, you don't know.
So suppose that among those who have attractions, but don't act on them, pedophilia is very uncommon, but ephebophilia is amazingly common. This is in fact what we would expect evolution to produce; evolution doesn't select for individuals who only find potential partners attractive several years *after* their reproductive years have begun. And this is what scientific study does indicate: that most males do in fact have sexual attraction to teenage girls, even though it's just a minority that act upon such attraction.