[ SECRET POST #2071 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2071 ⌋

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Comments

[sirvalkyrie]

I just believe parents have the right to raise their children how they see fit. Whether that is raising them in the beliefs of a particular religion or not is up to them. It is also up to the child as they grow to chose to accept or reject their parent's belief as they see fit.

[(Anonymous)]

And school's have a responsibility to teach scientifically sound and factual information, not some made of controversy. The context of what Bill Nye is getting at is not only do these parents insist on teaching Creationism to their own children, but demand that the public schools in the US do the same for all other children. That is the implicit background of that video, and why your argument is petty.

[sirvalkyrie]

My original comment said I don't think Creationism should be taught in school.

[(Anonymous)]

And my comment is pointing out how petty the rest of your comment was.

[(Anonymous)]

Does this count if they're raising their children to hate black people? To believe that other religions deserve to be eradicated?

Should parents be allowed to deny science as a cure for their child's illness, and let their baby die in the middle of a prayer circle?

What if the parents legitimately believe that girls shouldn't get an education, and remove their daughters from school? Is that still "the right to raise their children how they see fit"?

And if you can't understand that argument (which was "parents don't know best" fyi), then maybe you'll understand this: enforced learning of creationism looks harmless to you, but it's ruining that child's ability to go to legitimate post secondary education.

[unicornherds]

Curious, do you draw a line? What if they teach their kids that asians are the devil in disguise and shouldn't be trusted or touched or something. What if they teach their kids that men are in charge and women are there to be subjugated.


I mean I get what you're saying and for the most part agree, but I think it's a tricky thing.

[sirvalkyrie]

I don't like it, but parents do have the right to teach even horrible things like hatred and bigotry.

[unicornherds]

Hm, I disagree. I think at some point it becomes an abusive relationship. Emotionally or mentally abusive. Something along those lines.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically what you're saying is that the circle of hatred and bigotry can never end? Because if parent's are allowed to continue teaching their children ignorant things about race, religion, sexual orientation and even science, that's what will happen.

[diet_poison]

I generally agree that denying evolution is not a good thing but I don't think it can really be compared to teaching outright bigotry and violence. =/ I think that overblows the effects of teaching literal creationism in the home (when children are, or at least should be, exposed to evolution in schools) and undermines the seriousness of passing along bigotry and hate.

Also, if a person believes in literal creationism and that person isn't in a scientific field, it doesn't really matter all that much imo. You're entitled to your beliefs.

[(Anonymous)]

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[diet_poison]

uhhhhhhhhh.........


........what?

[(Anonymous)]

I used to be verbally and physically shamed for masturbating even in private. I was shamed for any sort of sexuality and taught that it was bad and wrong because God is watching and 15 years later as a grown adult I still have hangups about sex. I was taught that being attracted to the same gender was wrong. I was taught that women should be meek and mild and the point of life was to have a husband and kids by 30.

It took discovering the internet and people on it at the age of 15 or so for me to realize not everybody believed all this and that all of what my parents was telling me was utter bullshit. Until then, I was taught to hate myself.

Parents have the right to raise children, not to abuse them. Teaching them things like this is abuse.

[diet_poison]

=/ I'm really sorry that happened to you. And I agree that your situation was abusive.

I don't think teaching literal creationism is the same thing though. It's not directly harmful to a person like teaching things such as "your sexuality is wrong/evil" and "women should be subservient". It's just misinformation that isn't directly relevant to you.

[(Anonymous)]

"I don't like it, but parents do have the right to teach even horrible things like hatred and bigotry."

They didn't say Creationism. They literally said horrible things like hatred and bigotry.

[diet_poison]

anon I replied to didn't literally say that. And my point is that people in this conversation ARE *directly* comparing teaching literal creationism to teaching bigotry. which is wrong imo.

[(Anonymous)]

I am the anon you replied to. And I was replying to sirvalkyrie's comment that "I don't like it, but parents do have the right to teach even horrible things like hatred and bigotry."

I don't care what other people are comparing or not. I'm addressing that statement by sirvalkyrie which is all kinds of no. That is abuse.

[diet_poison]

Oh, ok. I misunderstood the point of your comment. I apologize.

[(Anonymous)]

As a child that grew up in an emotionally manipulative highly religious household, I heartily and respectfully disagree. As an adult when I broke away from my parents teachings I was and still am completely unprepared for the real world. I have barely any education I don't know any sciences I don't know how anything works in this world. There ought to be a line. Freedom for parents is all well and good until you realize the very real consequences for the children.

[oroburos69]

I find that ridiculously sad. However, this secret has a wonderful resource that you may not be aware of: Bill Nye the Science Guy. He did informative science videos that were, and continue to be awesome. Many of them are on Youtube if you're curious about science. Like, 90% of all science topics are at least touched on by him, and his videos are unreservedly great.

[diet_poison]

They're also very entertaining! :D