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I agree that Mickey had wasted potential, but I feel like Rory and Amy's relationship is way way different from Rose and Mickey's. And tbh I kind of liked how Rose and Mickey just stopped trying to be a couple- I just wish we'd had a little more moved on!Mickey.

I don't think they just stopped trying to be a couple. I think Rose dropped him and he existed. I do agree I would have loved to see more moved on! Mickey because after he left, he was bad ass!

I don't think Rory is all that better than Mickey... I like both because I'm soft-hearted that way, but I'm not sure that Rory continued swinging between wet-blanket-and-henpecked-husband and Rrrargh-Roman-Centurion-Badass as the plot dictates is all that more convincing than Mickey's gradual growth.
Moreover, it's not that Noel Clarke is the greatest, but Darvill... He looks very nice but his acting makes me cringe so much for some reason.

We definitely get more time with Rory than Mickey but I do think what you said about Rory changing "as the plot dictates" is very true. I don't know if I can say for sure that either Rory or Amy have changed or grown in their time because they seem to back track so often to fit the plot.

Mickey did completely change and grow, we just didn't get much of that because it largely happened off screen when he wasn't a side companion anymore.

Exactly this!! Thank you!!

I tend to agree. Or at least, I hope they recognised their mistake the first time enough to make Rory a more complete character.

Really? Because I think that Moffat has been wasting Rory's potential for quite a while now, too.

Yeah, his characters tend to change to suit the plot. Not a huge fan of this tbh.

...plot? You mean there is actual plot? b/c I never noticed...

I think Mickey was pretty well developed for being a secondary character. Yeah his arc wasn't fully explored, but he was given a story arc that had a beginning, middle and end.

Rory is kind of meandering in terms of character development.

Mickey's arc is a lot better (and more believable) than Rory's tbh. So no.

I don't think that's why but I do agree that Mickey is wasted potential. RTD was just too in love with Doctor/Rose to care too much about him.

Considering that Mickey was the one who went from machine-shop bloke, to Doctor's computer wingman, to hacking into the Cybermen core, to dimension hopping with Torchwood all while having a gradual buildup of being scared witless by the Doctor and what he represents, to proudly helping him, to choosing to travel with him, and to finally leave, staying in a new world of his own accord...

Even though I would have loved to have seen more, I think Mickey's development was very well done and definitely more consistent and thematic than Rory's.

This.

Yeah, but all that pales in comparison since it was relatively minor compared to the eventual hateboner Mickey had for Rose. That's why he left. He even admitted as much. He doesn't want to be in the same world as her.

It really dampened my view of Mickey as a character, that he became that fucking entitled. That, combined with his sudden ending with Martha (with no word as to what happened to her previous fiancee, the white guy)? Makes me think RTD is racist and viewed Mickey as a plot device in his Ten/Rose angst first.

The Mickey/Martha thing was original supposed to come around in the third season of Torchwood. They were both supposed to guest star, but it fell through. Why RTD continued to steamroll the way he planned without any sort of editing to account for the lack of development? That I can criticize.

As for the "hateboner," honestly I can't argue with that since there are a lot of interpretations a viewer could take from that. Personally I always saw it as Mickey realizing that the TARDIS life wasn't for him, that the Doctor and Rose had sort of created a BFF-only bubble around themselves without realizing it. And now here's a whole new world where he's needed by people, where his grandmother is still alive and now alone because Rickey died. He realizes that he's not needed by Jackie or Rose anymore, so he lets them go to find a new path because let's face it: grandmother >>>>>>> ex-girlfriend.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-09-11 06:05 (UTC) - Expand

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I can see that.

Me, too.

But then, I hated how RTD turned Mickey into an entitled jackass when it came to Rose. (He left two different worlds because he pretty much hated her that much at that point because she liked someone else better than him.)

othellia already covered the first time he left, but the second?

That's not what happened either, assuming you're talking about the end of Journey's End. Mickey made the decision in Age of Steel to stay in Pete's World for the cybermen and for his grandmother. His grandma died and the cybermen threat ended. He came back to our universe, found another purpose, and stayed. It wasn't because hated Rose. It's true that he said he didn't really have anything left in Pete's World. Well that's true, because his purpose behind staying there was gone.

BUT, and this is the biggest thing, most of all, Mickey had ZERO idea that Rose was going back to Pete's World. I CERTAINLY imagine that he assumed she'd continue traveling with the Doctor, as opposed to be sent off with Ten Too as what actually happened. So basically you're saying that he left behind a universe that he didn't even think Rose was going to be in any longer because he hated Rose.

Okay...

(Anonymous) - 2012-09-11 06:08 (UTC) - Expand

I am so tired of being asked to sympathise with the problems of Men Who Love Women Who Love The Doctor Too Much. I do not want domestic drama in my Dr Who.

(I'm not too thrilled with the Companion's Mother Tries To Run Her Life plot, either.)

Edited 2012-09-11 05:33 (UTC)

I understand this viewpoint. I really did not like the Mickey/Rose drama and I didn't like the start of Amy/Rory and all their drama.

I like the idea of having a couple on the tardis but I'd rather neither person in the couple be in love with the Doctor.

I do not want domestic drama in my Dr Who.

You're about seven years too late.

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