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The "protests," which are nothing more than riots, that started last week have spread through Pakistan now. People are still claiming that the anti-Islam movie is the reason for this.

Personally, I, originally, bought that some people were rioting over the movie. But now, it's being used an excuse to pillage, raze and kill. British, German and Dutch embassies and owned buildings have been raided and destroyed. They had nothing to do with the American made movie. So, why attack them?

All the "protesters" except for one woman, I saw standing in the background in Lebanon, have been men around the ages of 18 to 45. To me, this is more of a cultural thing that has almost little, if nothing to do with Islam. Like if this was the land of atheists, they would have found another reason to riot.

What do you think? What do you think should be done?

I don't know, I just know that my college got a bomb threat on Friday from an extremist and that supposedly it was over this film too and I really want to know what exactly is in it that is making people threaten so many innocent lives and kill so many people the world over.

na

Do you go to UT Austin? They got a bomb threat on Friday too and had to evacuate students (I'm not sure if the threat was because of the film though. I go to UTA, so I'm fuzzy on the details)

No I go to NDSU (North Dakota State University) we had a bomb threat the same day as you, and they think the two were linked.

da

completely off-topic, but how do you like ndsu? it's on my shortlist for grad school (plant sciences ftw!), but i haven't actually spoken with anyone who's been there!

I love NDSU! It's a great school (but between November and April it is very cold.) If you're looking for plant science research, this is a really good school to go to. We put a lot of funding into that (we have so many greehouses!) because one of our strengths is as an agricultural and botanical college.

Re: The Middle East and Western Asia riots- Your thoughts?

(Anonymous) - 2012-09-17 05:45 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Middle East and Western Asia riots- Your thoughts?

biohazardgirl - 2012-09-17 14:04 (UTC) - Expand

I think that even without the film, the extremists will still riot. To put it in a nutshell, Middle Eastern extremists just hate the West in general. Why? even I have no idea, and I'm a Muslim. I really hope the bomb threat your school received is just a hoax. Please let it be a hoax...

<3 Don't worry, it was a false alarm. The 'bomber' tipped them off and they evacuated us off campus and then they didn't find any bomb so everyone was ok. Thank you for your concern.

Yeah, I guess extremists are extremists and will riot over what they can. It's just kind of scary when a free speech argument comes in because yeah the filmmaker should be able to say what he wants, but at the same time between the bomb threats and the riots, hundreds of thousands of people have been put in danger.

in islam, depicting allah or the prophet muhammad is considered idol worshiping and is therefore prohibited. it's also highly insulting,especially when allah is cast in a negative light. to extremists - the people rioting - it's grounds for committing violence, despite killing human beings being against islam. rational muslim (the vast majority) understand this. the extremists don't care, and think the violence is justified because it's in defense of allah's honour.

so i think the rioting and violence is entirely connected to the film because the film was degrading and insulting to them.

But none of the people haven't seen the film. In fact, all they have heard overseas is rumors. That it's being shown all the American movie theaters. That it's a huge hit and that Americans are just laughing at Islam and using it as propaganda for anti-Islam reaction.

You know what the "film" is? It's a 13 minute video that was created for a buck fifty. Not exactly the US country wide sensation they are trying to make it out to be over seas.

Also, why hit the British, German and Dutch embassies is this is an American film?

disclaimer: i'm not trying to justify the violence at all, i'm just explaining why they're probably doing what they're doing.

extremists aren't logical people. they heard their god and prophet were being depicted and insulted in an anti-islam film. that's why they're angry. further, islamic extremists hate the west in general, not just the united states.

But that's the thing, it's all men of a certain age, (18 to 45) You don't see children or young teenagers. No women. No elders. Just men.

So, I don't think it's Islamic extremists as much as a cultural thing. Like in most riots, it's usually men between those ages that make the majority of rioters. Yes, there are women and younger teenagers, but, again, it's mostly men.

Re: The Middle East and Western Asia riots- Your thoughts?

saku - 2012-09-16 23:05 (UTC) - Expand

Re: The Middle East and Western Asia riots- Your thoughts?

al28894 - 2012-09-17 03:57 (UTC) - Expand

Germany, probably because Angela Merkel gave some sort of award to the Danish author of caricatures of the prophet, author whose name escapes me. That's the explanation journalists gave. No idea about British and Dutch embassies.

A 13-minute film created for a buck-fifty by pasty-faced American Evangelical "christianists" who did so with the express purpose of kicking off the next round of Crusades, now that most of the West has figured out it will never win in Afghanistan, and they need some other method to try and bring about their twisted Dominionist evil empire.

The only ones to blame for the death and destruction these riots are causing, are the neo-Nazi Bible-thumpers who kickstarted all this in the first place. You don't yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theatre and expect no one to get hurt, or your butt not to get blamed, when somebody dies because you instigated mass hysteria.

They had nothing to do with the American made movie.

Neither did the American Embassy, or Americans in general. That's the really sad, and terrifying thing about this. I can't say anything about the reasons, maybe it is this film everyone is talking about, maybe people have been looking for reasons to act out violently and this gave them the perfect excuse. People who certainly don't deserve it have been, and are being greatly harmed by this however. I don't think anything can be done about it. I haven't heard anything so far, but I can't imagine it will be long before someone decides to at least attempt to "retaliate" against American Muslims(or people who might be seen as Muslims.) for what has happened, and those people certainly won't deserve it either.

It's just one of those things that makes me want to stay under the covers and wish the rest of the world would go away for a while.

"It's just one of those things that makes me want to stay under the covers and wish the rest of the world would go away for a while."

You're not the only one...

If this was the land of atheists the culture would be radically different so I'm not understanding your point. Culture has a lot to do with local religion. They influence and inform one another.

Sure, different cultures practice the same religion differently or have less tolerance for extremists but I don't get culture=/=local religion.

eta: I'm not in any way saying an atheist culture couldn't be prone to rioting, etc. Just that you can't really draw a comparison between the two situations.

Edited 2012-09-17 00:31 (UTC)

I think anon was meaning that even without the "excuse" of god they would have still found something to protest. Like god or allah or whoever is just the label given but not the real reason, according to OP.

I'll agree with that but not that the riots had nothing to do with religion.

Well, imagine a culture built around a faith that disallows (well, more like not encourage) any form of visual art (sculptures, paintings, etc.) whether it be plant, animal and human. This means that the culture must either take inspiration from the environment, geometry, or from the very words of their faith itself (not saying that there aren't other options, personally I don't get Middle Eastern culture despite being a Muslim).

So now imagine a film, book, TV show, something-that's-not-insulting-but-people-twist-it's-meaning-to-be-insulting primering in the Middle East that insults their culture/religon. For them, it's a double-blow since their culture=religion link is so strong that insulting one is insulting the other. IMHO, that's how I view the recent protests.

Are you agreeing with me? My original point (which was off the cuff and not exactly worded the best) was that the local religion greatly informed the local culture so I didn't understand OP's suggestion that the riots were solely culturally influenced and had nothing to do with religion.

Wait.

*Reads OP's point. Then reads your point.*

Ooh...

Looks like I kinda misinterpreted your point and all. Sorry. ;(

Re: The Middle East and Western Asia riots- Your thoughts?

anonymouslyyours - 2012-09-17 05:13 (UTC) - Expand

I keep thinking of the Los Angeles riots in 1992 and how yeah, I can buy the acquittal of officers charged with beating Rodney King being the spark, but there's a point where that just stops being an excuse: the response is no longer proportionate, the response does nothing constructive*, some actions taken by rioters have no logical connection to the issue at hand, and it becomes increasingly likely that at least some people involved either don't have the all of the information or don't really care and are just looking for an excuse to riot (really, lady? A trial didn't go the way you would have preferred and because of that you just had to go loot toilet paper?!?)

It's reasonable to be offended by offensive things, but I agree that there's probably a level where the film is just an excuse for releasing per-existing tensions or furthering unrelated agendas. I also agree with the comment about hiding in bed and wishing everyone else would go away, because as with the 1992 riots, I have neither responsibility for the cause nor power to mitigate the response so... shit?

*Like when a SJW insists on flipping out at people rater than approaching offenders diplomatically, thereby eliminating any possibility of actually being listened to.

I dunno, I got nothing to say. We rioted over losing a hockey game.

...I'm a terrible terrible person for laughing at that.

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