[ SECRET POST #2084 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2084 ⌋

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Comments

[avatarmn]

Why do socially justice-minded gays and straight allies think it's okay to gender police gay people and gay characters? There aren't so few gay characters any more that we need a wider representation, and you people are trying to take away representation from a large portion of the gay population.

[b_dangerous]

Are you saying it's wrong to judge how your minority group is represented as long as they're represented? Even if it's only focusing on a small portion that represent the negatively viewed stereotype?

[avatarmn]

No, I'm saying it's wrong to to view gay people who are like this negatively, and not represent them.

[b_dangerous]

They're the only ones who really seem to be represented, though. You only ever see gay males represented as the flamboyant kind-- generally played for laughs. While it's wrong for people to view them negatively, it's also obnoxious for TV to represent nearly ALL gay male characters this way.

I see nothing unjustified about people wanting a broader representation.

[avatarmn]

Most gay male characters are not portrayed this way any more. People who think so are either not looking, or they're a little too good at gender policing and declaring characters as femme who aren't really.

[b_dangerous]

Mind sharing some examples of non-femme gay male characters on modern television? :)

It's a possibility that I'm just not watching the right shows, so I'm open to hearing some.

[avatarmn]

Quickly off the top of my head before I go to bed... All of the gay characters in Glee who are not Kurt. Blaine, Karofsky, Sebastian.

Half of the gay characters in Degrassi. Riley and Zane. Marco isn't all that femme really.

In True Blood, Lafayette is half a crossdresser and sassy as hell, but kicks major ass... Russel isn't any more camp than any character in the show, Steve and Talbot are pretty much pure camp, though. Jesus is quite masculine.

Danny in Teen Wolf.

The other guy in The New Normal. David.

One of the guys in American Horror Story. Patrick.

Michelotto on The Borgias.

Ian and Mickey on Shameless.

Four guys in Spartacus.

Jack Harkness, Ianto Jones, and John Hart on Torchwood.

Alby on Big Love.

[b_dangerous]

Jack Harkness is a tricky one-- because he can go from flamboyant and fabulous (although, technically not "femme-y") to stern and character driven dependent on the scene. I found that interesting about him. John Hart and Ianto are good examples, though-- same with Danny. :) Thanks for pointing them out.

I haven't seen all of these shows, but I'm much more relieved to hear there are some strong examples (and many!) out there.

Thanks!