[ SECRET POST #2088 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2088 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

Er...wtf? When people describe something you ship as a sibling or parent-child relationship, they usually just mean that's how they view the characters' dynamic and that's why they can't ship it. Categorizing whut? Incest-guilt whut? How on earth do you jump to that? Not everyone who disagrees with you is out to get you or silence you, you know. You're reeeeeeeaaaaalllly reaching here.

[elaminator]

When people describe something you ship as a sibling or parent-child relationship, they usually just mean that's how they view the characters' dynamic and that's why they can't ship it.

This is why I add imo to my comments so often. I'm not sure if I've ever said this regarding siblings or parent-child relationships, but if I were going to it would be the way you describe it; not to guilt trip or blame anyone for anything. I...don't think I've ever seen anyone make a comment like that with the intent the secret is describing. Not saying it can't happen, but yea; maybe it's not as common as you think and you misunderstood?

[iggy]

In the Hetalia fandom (which is my main fandom) this is kind of a thing. People use "INCEST!1!" to bash pairings decently often and basically to justify their hate and denigrate the shippers even when the pairing is-

a) not incest.
b) actually clarified as such in the strips.
c) they're shipping something with an extremely similar dynamic.

And some of these fans really, really act like their interpretation is the 100% canon one.

[luxshine]

I'm not going to claim to know anything about Hetalia but... aren't they countries? And thus... isn't it like... really impossible for it to be canonically incest since they don't reproduce biologically and they don't really have family relationships, do they? I mean... USA is not UK son, canonically, is he?

[iggy]

There are countries that have been canonically stated to be 'blood related,' namely Iceland and Norway. There are some others that are drawn to look almost identical (America and Canada and North and South Italy), and then there's Germany and Prussia, who refer to each other as brothers even in the modern era? But outside of Norway and Iceland, people will argue and argue over whether it's actually incest. IDK.

As for US and UK and actually most colony/colonizer relationships, they're not related. And US and UK, which is the only one we see really predominantly, is not presented as father/son (adopted or otherwise). Himaruya (the author) obviously doesn't bat an eye at the former colony thing, being as France actively propositions Seychelles for sex and England gives America Valentine's Chocolate. I would personally see it as a time thing. It's been literally centuries since England and America and France and Seychelles had a colony/colonizer relationship. To say they're stuck in that and can't develop something else, when again, centuries, without it being 'gross' is kind of silly imo.

[luxshine]

That was what I was thinking. I mean, I don't like Hetalia, I have huge problems with it and with the loud crazy faction of its fandom, but as far as I remembered... incest didn't really entered the equation, not like in Supernatural, Avengers or Harry Potter where there are popular incest pairings.

I do understand the "I can't ship them because I see them as brothers" argument (It happens to me with certain ships, in certain fandoms) but I just can't wrap my head around calling something incest when it's not incest (Say, I can't ship Thor/Loki BECAUSE it's incest and that's a squick of mine, and I'd like people to correctly label their fics, thanks a lot. But I also can't ship Clint Barton with Kate Bishop, since I see them as older brother/younger sister type of relationship, but there's no way I'll argue that Clint/Kate is incest)

[iggy]

No, same. There are absolutely relationships that I see as sibling dynamics even when they're not literal siblings. But I'm not going to be like "OMG INCEST" when it's... not incest and the view of the relationship I hold is completely subjective.

[(Anonymous)]

One of the major pairings that gets the 'INCEST!!11!' reaction when it canonly *isn't* is one where the older one found the other in a field. Literally found him in a field - and even though he 'claimed' him as a brother [meaning that the younger became the older's colony, at least in this case] it's also canon that they didn't see each other very often while the younger was growing up, and was mostly left on his own.

However, the people crying incest focus on the brothers part, to the point of them being blood related, and the older having had a very strong influence in the younger's upbringing - and use that as a point to bash people who do ship it, instead of taking the stance of 'This is how I see it, and why I don't ship them' - and a number ship pairings where the older of the two actually *did* have a strong influence in the younger's up bringing, and saw them frequently, if not actually lived with them [in canon].

[iggy]

In the case of USxUK there's also the fact that America explicitly severs any kind of brotherly relationship with him during the American revolution (outright says it!). And the fact that when asked about being brothers, they very staunchly say they are not. Himaruya himself refers to them as 'friends.'

And a number ship pairings where the older of the two actually *did* have a strong influence in the younger's up bringing, and saw them frequently, if not actually lived with them [in canon].

Yep, this.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so I have a question, because someone brought it up the other day and I'm not sure if they're explanation is bullshit or not: how do you pronounce "er"? Is it rhotic or non-rhotic?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm from the southwest US (because these things can definitely be regional) and it would absolutely be rhotic for me. Like the first part of ermine. Eh is what I would use in writing for a non-rhotic interjection although I wouldn't pronounce it with a long a sound like in the word 'day', but a short e sound like in the word 'get'. But they do have different meanings.

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't aware Americans used "er" at all.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I'm American, and I use it interchangeably with "um", particularly when typing, but IRL too.

[(Anonymous)]

Most Americans, at least in my region [The South] use it to show uncertainty, or disagreement. For example 'Er, I don't know...' or 'Er, actually I think they might be right...' Where as 'Eh' is used to show apathy. ['Eh, it was alright, I guess.']

[(Anonymous)]

Is it pronounced rhotically?

(Different anon)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

[intrigueing]

omg

I use "er" all the time and I'm American...but I just realized that it's possible that I learned the word "er" entirely from reading the Harry Potter series when I was around 9-10 years old.

*brainfreeze* O_O

[(Anonymous)]

When I used to write Buffy/Giles, it was THE go-to insult against that ship, actually.