[ SECRET POST #2094 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2094 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

WTF. Catalans are from Spain! They are European and they do have white privilege.

The reason why didn't respond to is clear. It's not cause you're white, hun. It's because you're an ignorant white person with absolutely no understanding of POC.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, they have *less* of this magical privilege than Castillian Spaniards. It's kind analagous to the Irish/English thing... In the big scheme of things, everybody we're discussing is white, but some of the groups have been on the crappy end of the power dynamic.

/lol race wank

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I totally agree with you, anon! But overall it doesn't change the fact that they're white though. Likewise, in countries like China there are Asian ethnic majorities that have more privileged than other Asian ethnic minorities, but it doesn't change the fact that although the dominant ethnic group (in this instance, Han Chinese) has privilege, it doesn't make Han Chinese people stop being POC.

/lol race wank indeed

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That's where it gets weird. A Han Chinese in the US however would certainly be a POC. But POC has definite connotations of oppression/lack of privilege, you can't get away from that. Calling Han Chinese in China POC is awkward because of those connotations: in China, they don't lack any privileges that white people have. If they're the default, they can't be considered a group that is other-than-default; assuming white is the default for the whole world is mildly racist in itself.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It makes them look like they don't know there's more people outside USA.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

idk whether the character is supposed to be considered white or not but that picture sure as hell doesn't look white in the slightest to me.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Well, if you know anything about the history of Spain you'd realize that parts of it (Córdoba) used to be a Muslim caliphate -- there are plenty of people with North African ancestry there, it's not like they all just disappeared when the country gradually went completely Christian or anything

I'm not saying it doesn't make darker skinned Spainards white but it certainly isn't as cut and dry and you want to make it (and arguments like this make it pretty obvious how socially determined race is in general -- I mean, in ancient/classical times race wasn't even a concept, people just categorized you by nationality/where you hailed from)

Are Basques white?

Also, whenever someone like you says the words "hun" "honey" "bb" I tend to discredit anything you say as being of any merit

[(Anonymous)]

The whiteness of Spaniards is especially relevant to current racial issues in the Latin American world. White privilege, skin-lightening, and a ton of racial issues exist in Latin America because of the white colonialism that went on. Skin-lightening is an especially hot topic these days.

I know that on a scientific level that race is a very flimsy concept. But in recent history, European Spaniards are considered white, have white privilege and (most importantly) they have used their white privilege to oppress non-whites.

Trying to argue that the Spaniards are not white is a huge slap in the face to anyone who has been the victim of Spanish colonialism and all the issues it's caused.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I didn't say that ALL SPAINARDS were not white. And I have a spouse who is Latino, so... uh, I am aware of these issues

[(Anonymous)]

But they didn't say Spaniards weren't white. They said that a particular Catalan character is described as being darker, looking different from other Spaniard characters, and treated as an ethnic minority. They also said that the character in the anime is drawn and coloured as a slightly darker-skinned character, and thus darker-skinned cosplayers who don't want to cosplay lighter-skinned characters might want to consider her, amond many others.

How is any of that a slap in the face to you?

[childings.livejournal.com]

Anon is probably a white American because they shut the fuck up after that comment

[(Anonymous)]

there are plenty of people with North African ancestry there, it's not like they all just disappeared when the country gradually went completely Christian or anything

Actually, they kinda did. The white, Christian Spaniards because very hostile towards the Moors and the Jews in the Medieval Era. Throughout the history of Spanish Christendom, they were constantly trying to ostracize and drive out the Moors. Most Muslims in Spain left for countries with a Muslim majority where they would be free of persecution. Those that didn't got to deal with the Spanish Inquisition.

Ugh, you can't imagine some of the nasty things I have read when I'm reviewing historical documents. The white Spaniards were not fond of the non-whites at all.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Not every Jews or Muslim fled Spain after that, many converted to Christianity but that didn't change their ethnicity at all. I have a spouse who is Jewish and Hispanic so, I know this stuff, I know that a lot fled, more were killed, but some did convert, Spain is not lily-white as others are suggesting is all I'm saying

[(Anonymous)]

Except OP wasn't trying to say that she was collecting characters with no white privilege? She made it clear her sole aim was to collect characters who weren't super-duper white/pale like most of the characters, so that people who also weren't super-duper white/pale could cosplay someone more easily. If she was collecting POC characters to be, well, examples of POC, then this comment would be completely valid and called for. But... she wasn't.

[(Anonymous)]

Because darker-skinned people need whitey's permission to cosplay, amirite?

DA

[(Anonymous)]

nobody in the thread has said that besides the SJWs or bitter POCs. She said she saw people asking for suggestions for characters with darker skin to cosplay and thought making a tumblr with character ideas would be helpful.

Is her attitude about it stupid? Yes. But she's not seeking to give "permission" for people to cosplay, she was just trying to be helpful, even if she went about it stupidly.

[(Anonymous)]

funny, its more whiter-skinned people needing POC's permission to cosplay or else...