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[ SECRET POST #2095 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2095 ⌋

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I think you got the movie wrong, Anon.

Mrs. Carmody wasn't horrible because she was a religious person. She was a horrible person, who happened to be a religious fanatic, and that's a huge difference.

Seriously? Read the book. It explains the situation of the poor people in the supermarket a lot better and it doesn't have that stupid ending (I know, I know, King liked it. But that doesn't mean I have to like it)

Horrible barely scratches the surface of that character.

She's probably a religious fanatic, but I think it's also possible that she was just using religion to manipulate people.

King liked the way the movie ended? How?? The original ending was only about 3 billion times better.

Mrs. Carmody was horrible, crazy, vicious, and yet, not the most awful religious fanatic created by King... (That honor goes for crazy Margaret White, I believe)

And of course, she had a messiah complex the size of the Chrysler Building.

I call those characters in King stories "The fanatics". It's not religion the problem, is how... blind they become to everything that is not being the messengers of whatever pet thing they get for their own adoration system.

And I agree. I have no idea why King said the movie ending was better. I wanted to go and hit him with my hardcover copy of Skeleton Crew. The movie ending comes out of nowhere, is a disservice to the characters and makes an otherwise wonderful adaptation into a bad episode of the Twilight Zone... the remake

How does the movie ending come out of nowhere? Of course the military would mobilize to fight the monsters. And said monsters didn't hold up very well against a simple revolver - they'd be toast faced with a battle rifle. Or a flamethrower. Let alone mobile armour. The ending was completely logical.

Well, I won't say why in the novel the idea of soldiers coming to save them was stupid, since novel =/= book.

And my beef is not with the soldiers mobilizing to fight the monsters because yes, the way the movie treats the situation, it's pausible. No. My beef is with the characters' actions mere seconds before the army appears.

The main drive of those particular characters was the will to stay alive. They had survived horrible odds just to get out of the market and then just... 'oh, well, the gas ran out, lets kill ourselves' is.. well, stupid. And the fact that they never HEARD the mobile armour... that's what makes it horrible and comes out of nowhere.

First thing my friend and I said when we got to the end of the movie was "Wow, those must have been some quiet tanks!" Though we said it in that awkward kind of 'jesus say something or we'll sit here really sad for the next hour' way.

This, exactly.

The timing of the tanks, the fact that they were the stealthiest tanks in the universe, and how the mist magically gets blown away by fans? Sorry, no.

Eldrich abominations from beyond the space and time barrier do not get waved away that easily.

I've never read the novel, but in the movie it seemed completely reasonable.

Yeah, the timing was off, but that was almost certainly a pacing issue. If he'd sat on the ground for an hour after shooting everyone it would have elongated the ending and broken the pacing, even if it would have been unrealistic.

That said, I interpreted it that the mist severely dampened sound? Otherwise why could they not hear ten to twenty foot monsters creeping up right behind them in the mist? Why could they not hear the screams/struggling of the man who went to get the shotgun a mere hundred feet away? A buddy who watched later came to the exact same conclusion whilst watching it, so I think it may have been implied? Even so, it would change nothing dramatically/metaphorically if they'd cut to the tanks rolling up an hour later rather than a few seconds.

I saw it as a condemnation of those horror films (of which there are many) in which people do kill themselves rather than face what they see as a hopeless situation, or those people who say they would faced with those circumstances. Moreover, those people who did the smart thing (staying in the store) survived. I loved that part. The protagonist's group did something stupid and they paid the price for it. People do stupid things in horror flicks all the time.

I did notice on Rotten Tomatoes that a reviewer's score of the film was directly inversely proportional to how butthurt the ending made them, hahahah.

the problem with the 'mist absorbs sound' theory is that we do hear a lot of noises from the mist, all the time. What we don't hear is some of the screams, but given the SIZE of the tentacle monster (we never get to see it full, the legs that they see at some point running around are the main body of said monster) it's very possible that the people dragged screaming were too far away to be heard.

Also, as Anon said above... A man walking into the mist is not the same as the whole freaking army. It changes a lot if it was an hour of him walking aimlessly through the mist (which could've done with a single cut) than getting the tanks seconds after he shot his son.

And no, the people in the mall DIDN'T do the smart thing, as their idea of 'doing the smart thing' included killing a small child. Not only that, the person who did the most stupid thing in the whole film (the woman who walked alone, unarmed, and without any protection through the mist) made it alive too. Seriously? When not two hours later a group of five were made mincemeat?

What they did wasn't stupid. they had a plan, and it included getting the hell away from the crazy people who were about to start killing others to appease an imaginary bloodthirsty god created from the mind of a very disturbed woman. Because, when the mist didn't go away after they killed the kid and the woman (They were going to kill 'the whore', remember?), who was to say they wouldn't be next?

And that's the thing. The original ending WAS a condemnation of people killing themselves rather than face a hopeless situation. The very last word of the novella is "hope".

Also, the movie is great. Is one of the best adaptations of a King' novel I've seen in a long time. But you can't call everyone who sees the ending as a huge asspull from the director 'butthurt' about it.

But you can't call everyone who sees the ending as a huge asspull from the director 'butthurt' about it.

You can when they start ragging on King for liking the movie better. How dare the guy like the changes they don't when it's his story in the first place.

So... people who like the Tommyknockers despite King saying it's a huge mess also are wrong?

Personally, I don't understand how he can like it. I hate the ending. But I hope you realize that "I want to hit him with my hardcover of Skeleton Crew" is a huge hyperbole and I *really* don't want to do that.

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What they did wasn't stupid.

Killing themselves because they ran out of fuel wasn't stupid? The entire thrust of your rant seems to contradict this statement. Running from the store wasn't stupid, but that wasn't why they died. They died because they gave up, and that was (and you seem to agree) stupid. Not sure what you're arguing here, because it seems to be against yourself.

The original ending WAS a condemnation of people killing themselves rather than face a hopeless situation.

So's this one, though, in a much more effective way (in my opinion, and in King's too, evidently, though you seem not to agree - you're certainly free to argue that but it was in no way an "asspull").

But you can't call everyone who sees the ending as a huge asspull from the director 'butthurt' about it.

Sure I can, when you've made zero internally consistent statements and your whole problem is the tanks coming out of nowhere when a twenty-foot, several ton monster creeps up behind Ollie in the parking lot just minutes before that in the movie. You agree that them killing themselves is stupid, which was my whole point, and was the director's whole point, too, yet you're complaining about it? Or is the whole thing just a pacing issue that would be negated if we'd seen him wander though the mist for a while or they'd clarified that the mist dampened sound?

Ultimately, it wasn't an asspull at all: it was entirely consistent with the themes the movie (and apparently the novel) had established, just in a different way. A really unhappy way that has people really butthurt.

I'm sorry. I thought you meant leaving the store was stupid, and I disagree with that. Killing themselves? Yes, that was incredibly stupid and I totally agree with you.

The thing about the ending is... In the original book they didn't kill themselves. Their personalities weren't of people who would kill themselves at the first sign of problem. And that's my problem with it.

I'm not sure if the director really think it's a condemnation of people killing themselves or not. I have also heard that the movie ending it's a glorification of the army power, and I have yet to hear the commentary of the director to know his point of view. And yes, if the killing themselves/army appearing had been paced differently OR they'd clarified that the mist dampened sound, I wouldn't think the ending is such an asspull.

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Religion is like a gun; devastating and deadly when used by extremists, but also incredibly helpful for those who use it for good (like defending their homes).

This.

Also, I have to say that in fiction at least, King also has good religious characters who aren't crazy bastards. Few, but they are there. Mrs. Carmody shouldn't be used to judge them all.

I rather like 'religion is like a penis. Great that you have one, but don't wave it around in public and don't try and shove it down anyone's throat.'

You win all the internets ever. If I knew how to put gifs here, I'd post all four of my applause gifs.

Edited (I kan't spel gud) 2012-09-28 07:45 (UTC)

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