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I'm not in either of these fandoms but it seems like this is especially bad with Merlin and Supernatural?

I do think it's deluded. Especially with a lot of slash ships that are never gonna be canon, and the looks or hugs etc are just this strange thing called friendship and platonic love. Seems to be a problem for some people to accept that.

and the looks or hugs etc are just this strange thing called friendship and platonic love. Seems to be a problem for some people to accept that.

IKR?

Anon comes from a fandom where the main hero (first favorite character) hugged his best friend (second favorite character) because certain events came to light and it bought back memories for the both of them.

Second character went through a lot of shit as a kid. I'm talking emotional abuse due to his being yelled at by two different people (at different times). Never saying a word (he couldn't speak at first as a result since he never felt the need to reply to being screamed at). He was sold for a tiny bag full of gold before being used as a magical protege guinea pig for the other asshole as he knew he was going to die from old age anyway.

Said second character was barely four years old and he was judgmental of people as fuck and who could blame him? Add to his being hated by a whole other tribe of people, and again, ignored, because he was half of their race and part of another. Only when Character One comes around to save him from starving to death did he consider, "Maybe someone would be nice to me after all?" He still had his reservations considering he'd been hurt a whole lot.

First character, I'll spare you what his life dragged him through.

TLDR: Character two's past sucked a whole lot.

Main hero hugs his friend who finally just lost it and began crying. Fandom then all but demands that this is the end all ship and that no other choices are plausible. Fuck that. It just seems stupid and a little contradictory to say that possible Het pairings are labeled "friendship only" when the Male/Female characters are genuinely close, but when bringing same gender friendships into it, all I hear is "How romantic!" / "OTP Forever! / "Look how perfect they are for each other!" / "If you don't support this ship, you're a person who is homophobic."

I don't want a ship that's perfect. I want one that's flawed from here to Kingdom Come. I want realism. I have my preference for slash ships too, really. But if you can't point out or at least see the issues with your ship, then I'm not walking on that deck.

LOL'd a bit later as a segment of a different universe to the series introduced a character claiming to be descended from the Main Hero. The kicker? He's wearing what looks to be said Hero's old cloak that's torn up, his headband and he's carrying the Hero's sword and he looks just like him. The Hero did have a sister, but I'm holding onto my theories until either canon proves me right or wrong.

My fandom lives for making up it's own drama, but which fandom doesn't?

I completely understand people's desire to ship slash/femslash between two friends and not ship het between two equally-close friends because of the whole issue with scarcity and assumptions. You know how you get sick of it when every single time a man and a woman become close, something ~romantic~ has to occur and it just so happens that that they're always attracted to each other? And you go "why can't they be platonic for once?"

It's sort of the flip for slash: it gets disappointing when every single time a man and a man or a woman and a woman become close, nothing romantic ever occurs and it just so happens that they're always not attracted to each other, and you go "why can't they be gay for once?"

But that's only a rationale for criticizing the lack of gayness in media/fandom in general. Not in a specific ship. It gets really fucking annoying when people who ship a specific ship go "how can you not ship this? They're so obviously in love! Look how much they care about each other, why on earth wouldn't you want the pairing?" as though not shipping two specific characters romantically is a insult to the quality or worth or importance of those two characters' relationship, and that is just. not. true. Romance is not "better" than friendship, and not wanting two characters to be a couple does not mean you think their friendship isn't "good" enough or something. Argh.

Hey there, Anon from above. Agreement on all fronts of your post, the last paragraph in particular. It's like a relationship, for whatever a person wants to call or consider themselves, isn't valid unless it's deemed romantic? Though what sucks at times is when the friendship between two characters isn't taken all that seriously either, the whole, "They're not that close. The character is only doing it for this reason."

Which I say, bullshit.

Oh man, yeah, that bugs me too. And also, when two people have a very new friendship or have just barely met, and one of them shows the other one kindness and does something nice for them. And then the shippers say they were nice because they were attracted to or fell in loooooove with the other person at first sight. Because apparently being a decent human being or liking someone isn't a good enough reason.

*cough* points to icon *cough*

AYRT yes exactly. Sometimes I think that some fans forget how much they love close friends or siblings IRL. It might be possible that they don't love any friends, but more likely that they just blank it out when they watch their favourite shows. It's also cultural, British and European men are much more huggy and touchy with each other than American men or men from Australia and New Zealand say (I've lived in some of those places, mostly Australia and Britain, but enough time in the others to have an opinion...) but they can be homophobic, it's very much just a friendship thing. In a lot of Western Europe and parts of Britain both men and women greet each other with kisses and I've talked to Australians and New Zealanders who when they first came to Britain kept thinking people were in love with them!

I don't mind people shipping these characters, but to believe it's actually there in canon when it simply isn't, can be very undermining of the actual canon relationship.

Romance is not "better" than friendship

Agreed. On the flip side, you get people who'll argue that making a couple romantic/sexual will "ruin" or degrade" the friendship. This is especially troubling when the friends/potential couple are same-sex--the idea that a same sex pairing is "degrading" is... problematic.

Yeah, both ways are so infuriating. I get not wanting a certain specific same-sex friendship to become romantic, but people go "why do you have to make every friendship gaaaaaayyy????" Well, for one, we wouldn't make so many platonic friendships gay so often if we got more quantity and variety and normalcy in canon gay relationships, and for another, people do it to het couples who aren't romantically involved in canon all the time too.

Not to mention people think that if you make a friendship into a same-sex relationship, it makes those characters ALL GAYNESS ALL THE TIME AND NOTHING ELSE, which is a view that sure isn't helped any by the fact that most canon gay relationships are all about how this couple is gay and not straight (the and not straight part of way the relationships are contextualized is actually the most frustrating part) and isn't it interesting that they're gay and by the way these characters are gay and everything that happens to them has something to do with the fact that they're gay and the main point of their character is being gay and their entire character revolves around their relationship to the character they're gay with.

Slash fanfic is honest to god my foremost go-to source for romance that just so happens to be same-sex and doesn't revolve around sending the message "these characters are gay and not straight!"

On the flip side, you get people who'll argue that making a couple romantic/sexual will "ruin" or degrade" the friendship. This is especially troubling when the friends/potential couple are same-sex--the idea that a same sex pairing is "degrading" is... problematic.

This, totally. But as soon as you say it, you're accused of NOT UNDERSTANDING FRIENDSHIP and GETTING YOUR ICKY ICKY SEX AND LUST ALL OVER EVERYTHING, YOU IMPURE THING. Drives me nuts. If someone wants friendship to "become a thing" -- write it. Find friends who write it. It may or may not take off, but it just might. Then everyone could be happy, and people wouldn't be insinuating that gayness is somehow less beautiful than ~*~***~*perfect friendship~*~***~**~*~*~

....Yeah, I might have some feelings about this.

I'm the anon who made the point above about friendship, and I don't think that you can't have a relationship that isn't also a good friendship. I was talking about canon. The fans can ship what they like and write what they like. I just feel it undermines the friendship in canon when fans insist that every hug or touch means they must be shagging.

I'm totally with you on this one. I'm in gaming fandom, which is full of dudebros. Some of the characters have even been stated as gay in one game series, but they're still like, "THEY'RE NOT GAAAAAAAAAY. STOP READING GAYNESS INTO THIS!!!!"

Oh hey, another FE fan :)

I actually do ship that, but I love them as best friends, too. My big reason for shipping them is that Character 2's most important person is Character 1, and so any romantic relationship he got into would always take a back burner to his friendship to the first character, which isn't really fair to anyone. And IMO, their relationship does seem kind of flawed, as Char 2 is a lot more invested into the relationship than Char 1. It's very easy to justify Char 2 liking Char 1 in that way - not so much the other way around.

That said, I also can see them just as BFFs, and that's definitely okay. The big foundation of their relationship, platonic or otherwise, started off with that first overture of friendship, and that's really the important part of it.

(Funny part: I didn't even know about the descendant until you mentioned him and I looked him up. This is what not having a 3DS/getting the latest game has done to my knowledge.)

Anon from the FE Fandom here, Hi and Hug from me about your post. :D

I don't deny that Character 2 is important to Character 1, but I think the fandom really ruined it for me in the Romantic-Ship sense. I've thought about it outside that and the main reasons as to why I can't bring myself to ship them is it comes back to really three things:

Character Two is going to outlive Character 1 due to his being half human and the other half is a race that lives for 2000 years of age. Not saying he'll reach that high of a number* (*debatable) but it's still a long time and he could change and not so much open up to a whole crowd of people, but there would have to be others that he'd meet and call friend, if acquaintance.

The second reason is that the Main Hero is of the personality that he'll help people in anyway he thinks that he can. He knows it's naive of himself to think this way, even after all that he's gone through, but he can't turn his back and leave them without something. Especially if he'd been the cause of what they've gone through, or what they're going to go through. It's in his core character and Character 2 shouldn't be a special priority as though he's the only one the Hero has as a friend.

The last reason is that it seems to be foreshortening Character 2's possible growth and development post that era of time (FE9/FE10, specifically) it's more so in fandom then in canon? He's portrayed as someone who just clings so desperately to this one person that he won't grow out or beyond that and it irritates me when people do this? Character Two is really smart and as brilliant as he is, it's painful to think that he won't even snap out of it and think for a better life for himself.

In the case of the Hero's Descendant and the next game: It's not released to us just yet, but we were told finally that we'd get it sometime in the Quarter Two of 2013. Don't feel bad, I don't have a 3DS either. Try and avoid the spoilers too, if you can. The game looks great, imo.

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