[ SECRET POST #2112 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2112 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 102 secrets from Secret Submission Post #302.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have zero sympathy for someone who remains engaged with online fandom and show news during a spoiler period, the same way I have no sympathy for someone with severe allergies who devours the food they are allergic to.

Hint, get offline until it's safe to go back. Your control-freak martyrdom is just dumb and easily avoidable.

Self-fulfilling prophecies are self-fulfilling. Suck it up.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi. I don't live in the US or the UK. I live somewhere else and we get our show episodes only after a season ends.

You're basically telling me- so what if you've watched the first seasons and want to read fics of the characters and read discussions and what not? I can't be bothered to ass "spoilers for episode XXX" to my comments and fics so you should just get off the internet for 6 months.

I think that's just a little bit unfair.

[(Anonymous)]

*add

[(Anonymous)]

If it means that much to you that you know nothing of the show until you can see it in real time, then ...

Yes. You should wait like you don't have the Interwebs at all.

Because you are bound to be disappointed and it will actually be your fault because the many cannot fulfill the needs of the one.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you mean 'that mauch'? How hard is it to write 'contains spoilers for season/episode xxx?' It's not like I'm asking for complete silence until EVERYONE sees it.

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding this. It takes two seconds to put something behind a cut on LJ or tag for spoilers on Tumblr so people can TS it. The way I see it, if I go looking at recent news articles or comm posts discussing the latest episodes, I have no right to be pissed if I get spoiled. But I shouldn't have to avoid Tumblr or Livejournal or the ENTIRE INTERNET for weeks/months just because people are self-centered assholes and assume because they're a) able to watch something the second it airs or b) able to download and watch it right after that everyone else should, too. Some people have bandwidth restrictions and can't download stuff right away. Some people are busy and can't watch shit right away even if they can download it. And a lot of online streaming isn't available depending on what country you're in. The whole "If you're that worried about spoilers, watch it away or get off the Internet!" mindset is just indicative of the whole "now now now me me me" mindset that broad swaths of Internet fandom seems to have adopted. Ugh.

Also, some people like to spoil shit before it even comes out. So, yeah.

(Sorry, about the rant. But yeah, I totally agree.)

[(Anonymous)]

*watch it right away, even. Damn you, inability to edit.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty unrealistic and unfair. People in other parts of the world shouldn't have to completely avoid anything fandom-related just because they're unlucky enough to have to wait for movies/episodes/books.

[truxillogical]

I'm reminded of how cool the entire rest of the world was to America when The Avengers came out weeks before we got it here. I still stayed about as involved in the fandom as I'd ever been, but I went into the movie completely unspoiled, primarily because everyone took care to label fic/art with spoiler tags and put excited rants under cuts and all.

That was really nice.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh I'm American and I'd still put spoiler warnings for a few months afterward because I'm aware that a significant number of people won't see it immediately, and it's not like it would take that long to write out "Spoilers for season X." It's not a matter of 'the many fulfilling the needs of the one', it's a matter of laziness.

[(Anonymous)]

Above anon. This was actually in response to the above situation where the other poster's country doesn't get seasons till after they've aired over here, meant to post somewhere in there but whatever.

[kallanda_lee]

Exactly this. People in other parts of the world simply cannot see it in real time.

And even then we're basically forced to pirate stuff. If we wait for it to be on TV where we live it takes MONTHS.

I don't care what you're arguments are, if you are deliberately posting spoilers on comments without a simple tag (especially those that are non-specific to fandom discussion), you're a douchebag.

[(Anonymous)]

Jesus. Why can't you just torrent it?

[world_eater]

Some people are not fluent enough to watch shows in English. Some people don't want to torrent.

Jesus. Why can't you just warn for spoilers?

[(Anonymous)]

I have to agree with this.

What annoys me is how much of an episode gets leaked before it even airs for the first time. With all of the previews (and music videos, for Glee), I feel like I've almost seen the whole episode before it even airs.

I don't want to feel like I'm watching a rerun when I know it's technically all brand new content.

[(Anonymous)]

Because not everyone likes to illegally download shit? Fucking christ.

[kallanda_lee]

And even if you torrent it, it might 1-2 days before someone's kind enough to put up a version. It's not really fesible to stay off he Internet for two days to avoid being spoiled for a series you're watching on a weekly basis.

Seriously, spoiler tags are too much to ask now? Does typing an extra word make your fingers hurt?

[(Anonymous)]

Also, some people still have restrictions on their bandwidth and don't want to use up a big chunk of it for one show, especially if they still live at home and use a family computer.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking THIS. I can watch one or two shows online each month before it takes out too much of the bandwidth and my parents yell at me.

[kryss_labryn]

There was a movie that came out in France back in October 2011, but clips of it (mostly non-spoilery) went online in, oh, August or so, so there was a pretty decently active fandom for a while. But it didn't come out in Canada (where I am), with the exception of one showing at the Toronto International Film Festival, until the end of February. And I really, really wanted to see it on the big screen for my first exposure to it so I held off torrenting it and waited-- and waited-- and waited. Ends up that, so far as I can tell, it opened in Canada in, like, two theatres. One six hours from where I lived, and one on the other side of the country. I have no idea if it ever even opened in the US but if it did it was probably the same limited run.

Finally I did break down and torrent it, but not until it was really, really obvious that it was never going to play anywhere I was going to see in in the theatre. And when the DVD did finally come out I bought a copy. That was, like, three weeks or so ago, so almost a year after the movie was first released. ><

Sometimes people just want that first experience to be a big-screen, awesome thing, and not some blurry, shaky camera-snuck-into-a-theatre thing. In fact, the more I care about a movie, the less likely I am to torrent it. There is no WAY my first viewing of "The Hobbit" isn't going to be in 3D at the theatre the way it was intended to be seen, no matter how eager I am to see it.

Meanwhile, I avoided Tumblr for that fandom, having heard that there were masses of spoilers there and not wanting to spoil myself; the LJ community I could stay and happily play in though because everyone there was really awesome about spoilers.

Sometimes "just torrent[ing] it" is the equivalent of wanting that turkey dinner so bad that you're willing to lick the frozen turkey. Or, I guess (to be less icky) getting a turkey microwave dinner to hold you over until the home-scratch meal is done. Sometimes one wants to hold off for the full meal deal, rather than just making do meanwhile with a cheap copy.

I suspect I've stopped making sense (I blame the last of the turkey left-overs in front of me lol) so I'mma stop now.

[tabaqui]

Wow, you're a jackass.

I can still engage in my fandom and talk about my show. I only ask that spoilers gat a warning. That's not only easy, but common courtesy, just like warning for NSFW images or triggery stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

I get it and I don't get it and I agree with you and I think you're a prick.

This has been an issue for almost as long as fandom has existed; I ran straight into it during my Buffy days.

The facts are these; if you're in the fandom (not even necessarily that) and on the internet around the time of something happening - particularly if it's big -, you're going to get spoiled. Deal with it. Seriously, we had innumerable debates about this and the fact was that it wasn't possible to construct a perfectly spoiler-free environment; when even the fact that there's something to spoil becomes a spoiler, we've got problems.

The truly spoilerphobic will see spoilers everywhere, and with the time between initial airing and global availability becoming smaller and smaller (I remember downloading Buffy and it taking about five days through IRC, and now people can't wait for a torrent?) the risk of somebody slipping up becomes greater and greater.

And yet... it's still annoying when it happens. I've still been there, spoiled for a British show that aired earlier in the US for peculiar PBS reasons, with a conflict about spoiler space (this was the days before tags) and proper message headers. But ultimately? It was my fault. If I didn't want Red Dwarf S8 spoilers, I should have stayed out of alt.tv.red-dwarf. That simple.

You want to participate in fandom but not get spoiled? Fine, people try. You want people to bend over backwards for your benefit to make sure you don't get a vague hint of anything that might possibly be a spoiler? Not gonna happen.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I have sympathy for them. I think it's a lousy position to be in, especially if you're stuck there for months on end.

I don't think a food allergy is a good analogy. You can't help having a food allergy or change it by force of will, and it can -- literally -- kill you. How about a food preference? I don't eat cheese, not for any health reason but because I don't like the taste. Avoiding cheese can be a major pain in the ass, especially in Italian restaurants. I complain about the lack of options, I certainly wouldn't appreciate someone dumping cheese on whatever I'm trying to eat -- but it's not anyone's fault but my own, and it's not going to kill me.

[wauwy]

You sound angry.

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I'm not into tv fandoms. It's never safe for me, since I have to wait months to watch a show and most of the time, when I actually start watching it, in USA the new season is starting.