[ SECRET POST #2120 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2120 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So injustices needing to be remedied should go ignored if the discussions pertaining to them are not ones you can fit yourself personally into?

There are discussions where your voice is not needed. That does not negate your own injustices you suffer. Just that some times listening is more necessary than talking too.

[(Anonymous)]

I think OP is saying that they resent all of Europe being looked at as one monolithic culture when they're from an area with different norms/politics/etc that is technically still a part of Europe, not that these discussions have no meaning to them.

[author_by_night]

That's what I took from it as well.

[(Anonymous)]

That's how I read it too.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, who is doing that? Even Americans are aware that Europe is made up of different cultures.

[ill_omened]

Even on this blog we've countless 'well america is p. big and states are sort of different so it's exactly as varied as europe and I get to treat europe as a cohesive whole' arguments.

[(Anonymous)]

While there are certainly subgroups in the US as varied, if not more than Europe, no, the US as a whole is not a good comparison to Europe. The basic problem is the rather extraordinary situation of the US having a fairly cohesive culture across great swathes of land.

[(Anonymous)]

HAHAHAHAHA. I was there for that, and no. There was no "Europe is a monolith" in that conversation. What there was was "The US has regional differences," stated exactly as written. You then decided that this MUST mean that every American thinks the US has more diversity than all of Europe, and began a ridiculous crusade to try and persuade everyone that, having spend a ~whole entire YEAR~ over here, you knew ever so much more about our culture than we, the native-born, do. You were, as I recall, literally the only person to be holding these beliefs in the entire wankfest.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, when Americans think or talk about Europe they really usually mean only Western Europe (in the sense of pre-Iron-fall-Europe) and the same is to some extent true about some people who live in many parts of Western Europe (it's been changing in the last two decades, mostly because of EU opening to the East, which sort of brought many countries of the Eastern Europe back to Europeans mental maps of their own continent).

Still quite often you get this feeling that when somebody says Europe and European they really think of parts of it, not the whole.

I do understand it in a way, but sometimes it's a bit dismissive, especially when it is deliberate. I didn't often hear an outright "it doesn't concern you" (like the anon who made this secret), but there's often this implication in the discussions that "my" part of Europe is not "the real" Europe, which I do find annoying.

(But is also sometimes almost subconscious and definitely a result of geopolitics and sheer unfamiliarity with the cultures of these countries)

[(Anonymous)]

This...is not true. Americans are quite familiar with the various parts of Europe since most of us are of European descent and the entire Cold War was centered around Russia. Your average American has heard of Ukraine, Bulgaria, and Hungary, I promise you. It's the Baltic states and the Balkans (except for Greece) that most people are unfamiliar with, since they're small countries, have had little immigration to the US, and have been relatively insignificant in terms of world history.

Americans are well aware of the difference between Western and Eastern Europeans, they just tend to not know much about the smaller and poorer countries in Europe.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is what I meant? Not that they don't know that these countries exist, but that they usually don't think of them when they say "Europe", and tend to focus on the Western parts.

[(Anonymous)]

On the side I would like to note though, that I do think that there is a tendency to overestimate the importance of having ancestors who come from particular country as an indication that this person is really familiar with the contemporary version of that country. It might be true in some rare cases, but it's definitely not true for everybody.

[dancing_serpent]

Not OP, but that's definitely something I have my problems with, and that's how I understand that secret.