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If I write a thoughtful, well-considered comment, or secret, read over it to look for unintentional implications and correct my wording, and generally put as much care into it as I would if my name were attached... I might get some responses, I might not, depending on the circumstances.

If I express the same sentiment in the words of an angry thirteen-year-old, people who disagree with me will magically appear. Then, people who disagree with them -- and possibly agree with me -- will appear. It will get a discussion going. It will probably be a raging argument I wouldn't want my name associated with. But it will be lively.

It's not very interesting to me to make random shit up and see how people react, but people are so much more likely to hear you if you screech your opinion.

I am really, really not a fan of people who screech their opinions.

It's kind of embarrassing.

I see what you're saying and understand your pov, but disagree. I think the issue is you're looking at extremes. There are ways of phrasing things in a way to instigate discussions that aren't trolling or wankbait.

I wouldn't describe what I do as trolling -- it's not that extreme. And I'm not sure what the proper definition of 'wankbait' is...

Making a comment you know is controversial and will get people arguing.

Yes -- but hadn't you noticed that was true everywhere? Go to the Wall Street Journal and say Communism is best and see how many bites you get.

Holy god.

The Wall Street Journal's comment section is a hive of terrible crap. I mean, for fucking real. You don't even have to actually troll there; just say something that's reasonable but not in line with the majority's political views and people flip their shit.

There was an article about Larry Ellison's real estate holdings a while back, and someone said, "he comes across as a bit greedy to me, but he's entitled to spend his own money as he likes," and someone replied with what basically amounted to, "GO PROTEST WITH OCCUPY WALL STREET YOU LAZY LEFTIST SCUM," and received, no joke, 20+ recommendations.

I found it was better for my sanity to stop clicking on the "comments" tab.

You know, I've noticed this too. I used to politely phrase all of my responses here, triple and quadruple checking before posting just to make sure I wouldn't offend anyone. And out of every five comments I'd post, I might get one response.

The one time I actually got fed up and didn't care how offensive or insulting I came across? I ended up sparking a 50-comment long thread on the subject.

So maybe it's like the old idiom, the squeaky wheel gets the grease i.e. The most offensive / annoying commenter gets the attention.

Hmmm, I don't know. I would like to think I'm normally nice and people tend to respond to me.

I find the best way to keep a conversation going is to ask questions. Most people just state their piece and leave. But you ask a question of them? They are much more likely to answer. Then again, I'm always one for civil debate over arguing.

You still state your opinion, though, in a way that's kind of "I don't give a fuck." And please don't take my meaning incorrectly; it's not "I don't give a fuck" in the sense of "how you feel doesn't matter to me." It's "I don't give a fuck" in the sense of "I feel how I feel, and I think that's okay, and I'm not going to pull my punches." That tends to get responses from people. It's respectable.

Oh anon, I'm flattered. You say the sweetest things. And you know flattery will get you everywhere in life. In fact, this is for you:

There's nothing adult in this gif but just in case I'm linking it.

Back to being serious though, I still get people to respond to me without being a troll. Whether it's because of my questions or my attitude, I must be doing something right. So the OP doesn't have to resort to being one to get into a good long conversation.

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THIS GIF IS AMAZING.

I know right? I really love it. I've been trying to find a reason to use it for weeks.

AYRT

That gif is fantastic. And I'm not completely sure whether you think I was trying to troll you or not. So I will say that I wasn't trying to troll you. I was being sincere, and I think you're pretty cool. You seem to state how you feel without worrying how it will come across -- you just feel the way you do, without animus or conceit, and want to add to the discussion.

Oh no, I don't think you were. I just thought it was a super cool gif and it would hopefully make you laugh. So, mission accomplished.

(If it makes you feel any better, I'm apparently as hard to read in real life as I am on the internet. My inability to create the right tone will be the death of me. But at least I try.)

But, thank you anon. That means a lot. I really appreciate it.

I also enjoyed having to look up animus. I've never heard that word before and I love learning. So thanks for that too!

Now, see, I consider "not pulling my punches" to be something inflammatory...

Well, for me I've always felt that it's okay state my opinion as long as I recognize that others don't have to share it and I can be wrong. I've admitted I'm wrong before. It's not a problem for me.

I think I've avoided wank for the most part and I've had discussions in very... wanky(?) topics. I think that's the difference between civil debate and wanky arguments (with troll-like behavior).

Edited 2012-11-05 02:18 (UTC)

AYRT

I suppose it could be, but in general I interpret it as taking a position and being willing to stick by it. Now, this does not mean that the person in question cannot be swayed by a good argument; it simply means they are not self-conscious about how they feel. And that's cool, in my book.

You're clever and often very funny (funny's important), all while making your point without being hateful. That's what you're doing right. :)

Aw, that's sweet of you to say. Thank you. You're making me blush, seriously.

So, so you're so cool I'm gonna use this gif:

Hosted by www.imgnook.com

(I have no idea what's going on in this gif but it's cool like you.)

But really, thank you.

Edited 2012-11-05 16:23 (UTC)

You're welcome and that gif is great.

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