[ SECRET POST #2148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2148 ⌋

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Comments

[miarrow]

The ratio is still way more on the irrational Sansa hate than the other way around.

Also, why is she any less a contender for Queen of the North than the other Starks left?

[(Anonymous)]

Why does Sansa hate have to be irrational? She's easily my least favorite character of the series, and has been since the first book. I can't even be bothered to read her chapters anymore, because she's so utterly passive. She doesn't DO anything. Things are done TO her. I skim the chapters to see what the DOERS are up to, and move on, if at the end of the chapter, she's still alive.

And her age has nothing to do with her uselessness. Dany is around the same age, and she's raising an army. Arya is younger, realized that things were going to shit around her, and ACTED to remove herself from the situation. Bran is even younger than Arya, and found himself in charge of Winterfell, and when that went to shit, he figured out a way to get himself and Rickon to safety.

To me, Sansa is Fantasy Female Character Stereotype #1: Damsel In Distress. If she fell in a puddle, she'd lay there complaining about being cold and wet until someone else told her to stand up.

I don't get the talk about her character growth and her "arc." What growth? "Marry Joffrey Have Babies" girl becomes Cersei's pawn becomes Tyrion's pawn becomes Sandor Clegane's temporary burden becomes Littlefinger's pawn? As far as I can tell, her arc is still, "Do As You Are Told."

So "irrational" hate? No. Purely rational dislike for me, thanks.

[miarrow]

Good for you, congrats.

[(Anonymous)]

Some people like characters because they have complex personalities, rather than because they're action heroes.

Sansa is not a stereotype; she's a . . . I don't think there's a word for it, but she's the old-school stereotype made flesh. She has strengths - her resilience, her intelligence, her compassion, her diplomacy. She has flaws - her passivity (which she has for very good reasons, namely being abused and traumatized), her naivete, her classism. She has a goal - first to become queen, then to return home. She has hobbies and friends and enemies and desires. We see her happy and sad and angry and scared and brave.

It's statistically unusual to see a character with her personality type treated with such depth.

[chanterofelegies]

A person who doesn't actually read her chapters is really not fit to be talking about whether she has character growth or not, tbh.

[cloud_riven]

Yeah. I was kinda pulling a "wat" face as they tried to dissect a character they skipped all the apparent lack of development for.

[llei]

I would love for Sansa to end up Queen of Winterfell. She is kind, and that goes a long way for me with any character. There are so few kind people in the game in Westeros.

Personally, I'd have loved to see I storyline exploring Jon going for it and taking the leadership of Winterfell, only to be confronted with the reality of having taken Sansa's birthright.

(To clarify: I mean based on their belief that Bran and Rickon are dead. I can see many of the men of the North being willing to follow Jon because he looks like a Stark and because of Robb's will. But it would mean usurping Sansa, which would just have been such an interesting fulfilment of Cat's fears etc.)

[(Anonymous)]

She's kind except to her sister for being tomboyish and unladylike, to Jon for having the gall to be born a bastard, to anyone of low birth because they're below her station, to Tyrion because he's an ugly dwarf...

I don't buy into the mindless Sansa hate because her character is clearly going to be a dynamic one and she's changing for the better. But that's not how the character started off, and I don't see the point in pretending otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

My guess is that should a Stark end up ruling in the North again, it won't be as king/queen -- the kingdoms will have been reunited under the Targaryens. But I think Sansa is one of the more likely candidates.

[kamino_neko]

Also, why is she any less a contender for Queen of the North than the other Starks left?

Why should a Stark be ruler of the North, once everything's shaken out? Ned and Robb have both screwed it up pretty nicely. It's exceedingly unlikely that once everything has shaken out the North will still be an independent kingdom, and whoever conquers it would be a fool to give any of the Starks any power - learn from the Greyjoys, people!

I like the Starks - they're among the very small handful of characters in the books that are mostly sympathetic - and I want things to turn out well for them...but given how things are going, 'things turning out well' basically amounts to not being hunted down and executed as a family of traitors.

[(Anonymous)]

Because Westeros, except for Dorne, has male primogeniture. Daughters only inherit if there are no sons. Sansa has absolutely no claim on the North if her brothers are alive. If there IS a king/queen in the North, someone to take over the mantle from Robb, it's either Bran or Rickon, or Jon if he leaves the NW when he finds out that Robb officially made him his heir. As long as Bran and Rickon are alive, Sansa is not Robb's (nor Ned's) heir. Sansa is not heir to anything. And I don't see her as someone who would want to take away what belongs to her brothers by the laws of Westeros.