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Where do you live?

And what is the dominant race there?

Middle of nowhere far in eastern Europe. Everyone's white here, I have honestly never seen a non-white person in my entire life... so racism is simply not a 'thing' here, since it's hard to be racist against all those other white people that surround you. We discriminate people with different religious and political views instead!

Okay.

See.

This is why no one was offended.

Because everyone there is white.

I mean, fuck, I'm reading and rereading your comments here and I actually have to laugh. How fucking stupid do you have to be to actually flat out say in complete earnestness "There's only white people in my country, so we can't possibly be racist in any way whatsoever!!!!"?

Unless you're trolling?

IDEK this is ridiculous. LMAO

Um, I think they meant that racism as a cultural phenomenon doesn't exist as such, that there isn't everyday discrimination based on race/ethnicity etc., not that people can't still be racist individually.

If they're dressing up in blackface in kindergarten, I think that racism as a cultural phenomenon exists there.

TBQH.

I mean, just because there aren't a lot of people of the race they're being racist toward in the country, that doesn't mean it isn't still a racist attitude.

DA
Or that's a really heavy subject to lecture a bunch of kindergarteners on, and it's easier to innocently let the kids pretend to be a black African tribe.

.............

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

And yet I'm pretty sure you are. I win!

Lol, okay.

You for real think that just because it's easier than teaching kids about racism or, hell, even just teaching them about real Africans and African tribes, that makes blackface an okay thing to teach a bunch of kindergarteners how to do?

You might... want to reevaluate your priorities there.

Which scenario is going to go over better with 5 year olds?

A)

TEACHER: Okay, class, today we're going to talk about native tribes in Africa! You're all going to be natives, and native Africans are black, so pretend you're all black even though you've never seen a black person before. Here's a picture of one. Pass that around, would you, Susan? Okay, now everybody - pretend that's what you look like, because we can't risk offending people in other countries who will never know about what we do here this afternoon.

B)

TEACHER: Okay, class, today we're going to talk about native tribes in Africa! Native Africans are black, and you're all going to be black today. We've got some facepaint here so you can see what it's like. No, Timmy, we don't eat the paint...

Why do they have to pretend to be natives at all?

No, wait, sorry, I'm doing it again. Goddamn. Trolls, stop being so enticing, you make me want to feed you on a regular basis.

Hell if I know. I assume that's how it went down. Kindergarten was a long time ago.

If it was truly coming from a point of understanding, rather than mockery I actually don't think it's that bad. It could be a way to try and show very young children than skin color is just that - a color - and increases empathy with peoples of other nations/continents (i.e. "they're just like me").

+1, I think 'let's pretend' and role-plays as other people are basically sort of the way you reach kids at that age. And those young kids from a really homogenous society probably aren't coming into it with all the baggage that kids in an American classroom where racism is a much more noticeable part of daily life would have (which is part of what would make it seem such a terrible idea in the US).

But that's not true?

Skin colour isn't 'just colour,' it can be a huge part of someone's identity and it absolutely affects the way people are treated.

Teaching children that it's no big deal, everyone is equal, blah blah racism is gone is exactly the reason children grow up to be passive participants in racist societies.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-11-22 02:32 (UTC) - Expand

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How about option c?

they pretend to be somebody without being made us as ridiculous caricatures? I really doubt the kindergartners broke out the makeup, somebody suggested that.

Kids have imagination. They can make some leaps on their own. I remember kindergarten too. We dressed up as all sorts of things. Nobody brought out the makeup unless it was Halloween.

That said, I wonder if it was properly blackface or not. Blackface itself is somewhat distinctive and deliberately crafted

SJW jump on people with spray tans as doing blackface sometimes, so I can see where the term might not be propertly understood. That said, if those kids looked like Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball Z when it was done... that's pretty fucked up.

I've got a kindergartener, and believe it or not, it's entirely possible for small children to learn about Africa WITHOUT DRESSING UP IN BLACKFACE.

And no, putting on black facepaint isn't going to teach a child a damn thing about what it's like to be African.

I used to pretend I was a mermaid with blue skin when I was in kindergarten.

Kids have really, really good imaginations.

So what if it was easier? That doesn't mean it was okay.

Why did the kids even need to pretend to be an African tribe in the first place? That's what I don't get.

to better learn the ways of an african tribe member?

If you want to teach small children something about other cultures, which method would you choose: a lecture with maybe a few pics or a play where the kids can pretend to be from that culture? One of those methods is much more effective and interesting than the other.

lol you get a gold star, SJW troll, for trying to make someone feel bad about the fact that there are no other races in their area, like they had something to do with that.

Lol, and you get a gold star for pretending that's the point I was making.

Unless you actually do think that's my point, and not that, you know, it's shitty to claim a racist action is somehow magically racist because it's done in a country where there are very few POC to complain about it. In which case: lmao, fuck you're not very good at reading comprehension, are you?

ER, what? Did you read their comment even a little?