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[ SECRET POST #227 ]

⌈ Secret Post #227 ⌋

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17. This part of your rant really annoyed me: "my pairing is/will be canon" sounds a lot crazier coming from the slashers. Most het pairings at least have a theoretical chance of becoming canon. Not with slash

Umm... no. Just because one character has a pussy and one has a dick, doesn't mean they'd have a better chance at hooking up over two guys or two girls. Gender doesn't matter when it comes love, it's all about how the characters interact with each other.

A male and a female who barely speak to each other in canon have a lot less chance to hook up than two males with plenty of slashy subtext.

And believe it or not it is possible for males and females to be friends without falling in love or fucking each other. Shocking, I know.

Just because one character has a pussy and one has a dick, doesn't mean they'd have a better chance at hooking up over two guys or two girls. Gender doesn't matter when it comes love, it's all about how the characters interact with each other.

Man, don't I wish. While that may be the case in real life, it's sadly not the case in most media. Or maybe I'm just not in the right fandoms. At least in my experience, it's a lot more likely for writers to hook up a random het couple than for the most subtexty same-sex pairing to actually be validated.

In my fandom it can go anyway. Yuri doesn't happen as much as I'd like, but a guy has just as much chance ending up with another guy as he does a girl.

OP here. I think you misunderstood me. I actually agree with everything you said above, especially about gender not mattering and that two guys with slashy subtext make more sense as a couple than a guy and girl who've barely had any interaction. However, you're talking about fan reactions and interpretation (they're the type of arguments often used to defend slash fanfic against people who insist that it's inherently OOC or something).

I was talking about whether a pairing has any chance of becoming canon in the source material. It doesn't matter how much subtext two guys have or that they'd make more sense as a couple in fanfic; it's very unlikely that they'll actually hook up in canon. And if a guy and girl are very close friends, you'd have to be very naive to not at least consider it a possibility that the creators might hook them up in the future, even if you'd prefer for them to remain friends.

That's just the way the entertainment industry works. Are you seriously trying to deny that, in general (especially in mainstream series), het pairings have a much bigger chance of happening?

rekallthegreat said, it depends on the "source material". Harry Potter? Clearly no canon homosexual couples. As much as I love Sirius/Remus, it's not canon. CLAMP? You've got a really good shot at having a gay or lesbian couple. Given the character development, Kurogane/Fai is as likely to happen as Shaoran/Sakura.

I don't know what it is you're trying to argue. Are you actually trying to deny that we live in a heteronormative society? Pulling out specific exceptions like CLAMP or saying your fandoms are different does nothing to detract from my point; you're talking micro-level, I'm talking macro-level. The series I chose for examples on the bottom are all mainstream, marketed for the masses. Death Note and Naruto ran in Jump, the most widely-read shounen magazine in Japan. House airs during prime time on a major network. KH is partly owned by Disney. It is very unlikely for slash pairings to become canon in these kinds of series. Not entirely impossible (as I said in reply to someone else, Willow/Tara from Buffy the Vampire Slayer are an example). But anyone who thinks that het isn't far more likely is kidding themselves.

*shrug* Not exactly talking micro-level when bringing CLAMP up as an example. Tsubasa runs in Weekly Shounen Magazine, the #2 magazine behind Shounen Jump. A handful of their other series ran in Monthly ASUKA, another mainstream magazine.

I was trying to point out just what I said. The likelihood of a straight or gay pairing in a series really depends on the series, genre and fandom. Sometimes claiming subtext as canon doesn't work. Sometimes it does. Pulling away from canon to a preferred fanon subtext doesn't make canon not exist. However, when you have a series that is pure subtext, you have to look at the genre/audience/creator. Making a blanket statement that the subtext or interaction is going to become straight or gay does a disservice to things like character development, setting, plot, etc.

Is House going to get in bed with Wilson? Probably not. But if/when the ratings are going down the tubes and FOX doesn't care if they jump the shark, who says the writers might not have them get completely plastered and wake up together one morning?

And, just for the record, Disney is an incredibly gay-friendly company.

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