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Is this wall of text saying that OP is tired of being oppressed because they're not a minority in any way? Please tell me I am completely misreading this, and then proceed to tell me wtf is actually going on.

No that's basically exactly what they're saying, and they're just crying because people are calling them out on it.

So you are okay with observing what somebody is and what they cannot help being and judging them based soley on that?

Check your privilege shitstain.

I've observed that you are and cannot help being a dickbag, and I'm judging you. Based solely on that.

My privilege is awesome and brings all the gender-indeterminate persons to the yard. Where they fuck me as I deserve while you look on jealously, weeping tiny precious miserable tears. Hee hee hee!

You weren't doing bad. But then you used a horrible old meme and fucked it all up son/daughter/in-determinate gendered child of whom I am the father.

When you go that detailed into my sexual proclivities and needs, you just sound like you are projecting.

Also a logical fallacy. Even if I am every bit the sex-deprived and oddly small tear weeping dickbag you think I am, that doesn't change if I'm right or wrong.

Pretty much this.

I'm reading it more as them getting trapped in that toxic fringe on Tumblr that doesn't seem to know any other language than angry. The fact that they made it a secret is telling, I think, that they don't actually want backpats, since there's no name or anything attached.

take off your sjw glasses, they're just ranting about assholes on the internet

I think OP is saying that they feel like the radical parts of the social justice movement who take things too far are ..well taking things too far to the point where they are actually bullying themselves. OP seems to be upset that they're being told that their sexuality and identity is not okay by a group of people who are supposed to be against those who go around telling others their sexuality/identity is not okay.

...and well I honestly have to say having seen some of tumblr's social justice movement I agree.

Don't get me wrong I'm someone who supports the idea of bringing awareness to bigotry and ignorance wholeheartedly, who despises slut shaming and bullying/harassment of different orientations and genders. But raising awareness of issues and telling people they're just born oppressive monsters and there's nothing they can do about it are two completely different things.

I don't think the OP came off stuck up and trying to play the 'pity me I'm more oppressed than you' (because believe me I have seen secrets like that before, the "I'm sorry I'm normal" variety for example. OP didn't refer to themselves as "normal" at all just acknowledging that she is straight/cis-which is you know and actual orientation/identity.) I think they're just tired of being told they're just inherently evil.

There's a lot of difference between Social Justice Allys and Social Justice Warriors. Ally's are standing up for a cause, Warriors are attacking for it. (I may be getting this wrong but this is my perception). There's no need to tear someone else down to bring their own side up and it does nothing but start and endless seesaw of tearing down. Yes there are people out there whose lives are more difficult than the person you're mad at ....but is telling that person they're scum going to do anything to change the plight of the less privileged? Why not go after the people who try to pass laws that hurt people like protesting a pending bill in Uganda to legalize killing LGBT people and AIDs victims or spending anger on a person who is actively bigoted rather than wishing suicide murder and rape on a person who made a mistake out of ignorance? supporting a good cause is not a free pass to do and say anything you want from harassing and dogpiling to passing out personal information of people you're angry at. If you're an unpleasant hateful person who viciously bullies people, it doesn't matter so much what you support, you're still an unpleasant hateful person who bullies people.

For example , callouts. SJWs say they don't have to be 'nice' about calling people out. Yes I suppose that's true especially if someone is being awful. But they shouldn't be abusing that by yelling at everyone who has a different perspective and saying its a callout. If you respond to someone with assertiveness and basic civility (you can be civil while being assertive people) you'll come out the more reasonable person. At best you might even succeed in making them see that they were ignorant and misinformed and genuinely change their mind. Screaming at them to die is not only uncalled for it also makes you look irrational. Sometimes you can do your best but you can't change people(and you certainly won't by threatening their lives) you can only inform them. Your choices are yours and theirs are theirs. If they have done wrong then they will reap consequences in due time.

Telling someone that their problems aren't real problems and that they have no right to complain while you do is 98% of cases a shitty hypocritical thing to do. mocking them about it in a passive aggressive manner ("white tears") is even worse. If you expect people to take your woes seriously and listen when you routinely tell them "oh boo hoo tragic ____ tears. your life must be so haaaaard." then I'm sorry but you are probably going to be disappointed -and not because they are bigoted.

Social Justice is good. Bringing awareness to bigotry is wonderful.There's nothing wrong with social justice or fighting bigotry. ...just don't become the monster you fight

tl;dr: Social justice is okay. SJWs are doin' it wrong and OP just might have a good reason to be upset

AYRT - Thank you for explaining! Put like this I actually understand their point and somewhat agree.

I with SJW would get a different name because Social Justice is a Good Thing and a lot of the things SJW take over and words they use wrong are actually helpful and good words and it's to the point where you can't mention privelege or sexism or racial anything without being jumped on and called a SJW - no matter how or what you're talking about. We should just call them Bullies. Or Tumblr Idiots. Or something other than SJW because they're really ruining the Social Justice part. :(

You're welcome. Glad to help.

I agree. Because really at this point they're ruining social justice because people hear Social justice and think of this behavior. I have to admit I know cringe when I hear 'privilege'. (It's really weird because my dad will be talking about x is privilege and I'll be like "*hiss* I hate that word" ) People need to talk about these issues, but now everyone's too scared too because they have to worry about getting a million hate messages.

I don't like the way they've totally devalued trigger warnings by taking something that was for actual PTSD victims and making into something that bubbles wraps the internet for them so they don't have to look at so much as an opinion they disagree with. If anything is an example of 'harmful appropriating' (which is something they talk about regularly ) it would be that. It's like they stabbed the people they claim to be helping in the back for their own personal selfishness :/

(Also sort of related because of the tumblr vegans (and PETA who are worse because they're hypocrites doing it for money) people look at vegans and vegetarians and expect them to be like that. I had a classmate/coworker who was really ignorant and honestly believed stuff like "vegetarians believe feeding children meat is child abuse" it sounded ridiculous back then, but now it's like the tumblr vegans are proving him right. I understand worrying about animal rights but there's no need to proclaim everyone who doesn't have the same dietary beliefs as you is the devil. :/)

PETA is the next step really. SJW's are annoying but they at least tend not to have the pair needed to do it in real life where they'd reveal themselves as utterly pathetic.

PETA are actually extremists. They act on their crazy bullshit, to the detriment of all. Including, ironically, goddamn animals.

Oh yes I learned that a short while ago. Was hardly surprised one bit honestly.

(though I was weirded out to find that they funded porn. Smex drive for the animals, huh?)

I'm almost certain I heard of a case where PETA 'infiltrated' a fur factory/slaughterhouse in China, and paid the workers to skin animals alive so they could make their video extra horrifying.

...Basically, fuck PETA.

Interesting fact: PETA euthanizes over 90% of the animals that it "saves".

Interesting fact: I once got accused of appropriating by an SJW for commenting on a girl's post telling her that I thought it was cool that she was from Tasmania. (My actual comment, word for word: "You're from Tasmania?! THAT'S SO COOL!".)

..Yeah, I don't think they know what "appropriation" means.

Also, wtf @ Tumblr vegans, that's ridiculous. I'm a vegetarian and while I wish that the animal industry would become more regulated so that animals do not have to suffer (because I realize that nobody will ever stop eating meat for animal rights), it's totally fucking ridiculous to tell something what they are and aren't allowed to eat.

Bless this post!

SJWs really are damaging everything they touch. Anger is one hell of a drug and they are addicted to it, hardcore.

This is what I think too. I say this as someone who used to be a really involved feminist and who literally watched the communities I was a part of eat themselves with ever-tightening spirals of sniping, blaming, and tests of ideological purity.

If you expect people to take your woes seriously and listen when you routinely tell them "oh boo hoo tragic ____ tears. your life must be so haaaaard." then I'm sorry but you are probably going to be disappointed -and not because they are bigoted.

This is why I hate the "poor menz" meme so goddamn much. It just makes you look like a dickbag and lets me know right off the bat that you're never going to listen to my non-misandrist thoughts (and I'm not a dude).

What I find most amazing is that a "movement" that exists to make the world a more inclusive, better place has so little problems with singling out people for imaniged slights, mocking them without any thought on how it might affect them. Example: If a cis white straight person suffers from depressions and uses a blog to help them cope and some of the more rabid SJWs comes along and goes "boohooo your white tears, you don't actually have any problems" I have nothing for them but loathing because I know what that does to a person in this situation.
They go around trying to give everything from suicide to daisies a trigger warning, yet their most favoured insult is "go kill lyourself".

THIS!

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and at that point "let them vent" is no longer an excuse if SJWs are hurting others who need a place to vent. A cis/straight/white person is probably not hurting anybody or being bigoted by dealing with their own personal depression feelings over tumblr so there's no reason they shouldn't have aright to do it because of their sexuality/race.

+1

I remember actually being messaged on my private journal by a SJW once telling me that my best friend's suicide was my own fault because I was such a horrible person, and that I should kill myself too. Like, do you really think that doing things like that is going to help your cause?

Additionally, mental illness can affect ANYBODY, regardless of gender, race, or sexuality.

100% agree with all of this, and very well-said. Possibly the most well put-together and concise post I've seen on this topic in a long time, especially

...supporting a good cause is not a free pass to do and say anything you want from harassing and dogpiling to passing out personal information of people you're angry at.

You do not get to bully, harass, stalk, or minimize the issues of people who YOU think are assholes. Being an asshole to an asshole just because you think you're defending a good cause does not make you NOT an asshole. You do not have the right to bully somebody because you don't like them, or else you're just as bad as you think they are.

No, this wall of text is saying that the OP is a self-centered asshole who has decided to blame their social adjustment problems on other people instead of resolving their own (conspicuous) issues.

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