[ SECRET POST #2169 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2169 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. I almost believe most of the people commenting on this don't play video games.

Just so you know, most video games have a set protagonist. The characters in ALL of those listed titles are meant to be specific people with specific backstories. You're not playing as yourself, you're playing as that character.

I would love to see more female protagonists, but thinking that the game should create an option so you don't feel left out is stupid. And why should they shell out more money to have a ton of dialogue referencing your name and gender voiced twice?

And if you really feel like it's hard to play as a guy because you're a girl, do you really think developers are going to pay millions of dollars to have a game with a female only protagonist, knowing that they're risking the much larger male base feeling put off?

Believe me, I find myself wishing all the time to play as a female protagonist (it's one of the reasons I don't want to play The Witcher), but having this block up about playing as a male protagonist isn't going to help.

[forgottenjester]

That's what I was thinking. It really depends on the game you're playing, something like Mass Effect where you are Shepard? Totally needs a gender option, which they have. But a game like BioShock 2 depends upon you being a Big Daddy. The counter to this would be not to change that game but to make more like it with female only protagonists. (Also equal advertising of the ability to modify your character in Mass Effect-like games would be nice.)

If only developers were willing to take the risk. That would be super. I personally think the problem isn't so much that female protagonist games will fail because guys can't relate to women but female protagonist games have a stereotype of being poorly written tripe. So people, developers and gamers, don't want to take that risk. But the stereotype isn't going to change unless there are more games out there with female protagonists that are well written and good games.

[(Anonymous)]

"it's one of the reasons I don't want to play The Witcher"

But The Witcher is based on a book series where the protagonist is a man. That's like getting angry that the main character in Harry Potter games isn't female.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm well aware, and I never said I was angry. Like...my entire post would indicate the opposite.

I said I just don't want to. Usually the type of game The Witcher is has a choice between male and female protagonists, and so I'm a bit more disappointed.

[ariakas]

I almost believe most of the people commenting on this don't play video games

I have over 60 titles for my PS3 alone, comrade. I have had a console current to every generation and the largest gaming library of virtually everyone I know since the age of five.

Your belief is entirely mistaken.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, maybe you're not in that "most" category, aren't you?

Man, basic reading comprehension could serve you in the future, when you're playing you're huge gaming library.

[ariakas]

I do believe that the clear implication behind that statement was that if you're gravely mistaken about me, you could well be just as gravely mistaken about everyone you've assumed does not game in this thread.

Man, somewhat intermediate reading comprehension, it could serve you in the future, when you're making knee-jerk reactionary comments to someone who disagrees with you.

[(Anonymous)]

No, because I said "most", not "all". So it's stupid to try and pin anything on "implications", because there's what I literally said vs what you made up.

when you're making knee-jerk reactionary comments to someone who disagrees with you.

Uh, you did that with me. First. You assumed I hadn't accounted for people like you. I had.

[ariakas]

No, the notion that most people who disagree with you don't game is something you've quite literally just made up. My example is evidence that you are incorrect. This is obvious from my first statement.

I like the scare quotes around "implications". We all know words don't ever imply things - that's make believe!

[(Anonymous)]

Implications are conclusions that can be drawn from things that are not explicitly said.

My statement was deliberate and lacked any sort of hidden meaning. I already made a reservation for people who did game yet wanted set protagonists to also have a female option.

You postulated that my theory made no sense because of your existence. I pointed out your existence didn't affect my guess one way or another.

So, on top of a lack of reading comprehension, you also don't know what "implications" means.

[ariakas]

No, your theory makes no sense because it has literally no evidence behind it whatsoever, and at least one counterexample I could immediately bring to bear - as I made implicitly clear in my response. It's just something you made up, with a hedging clause to explain away any and all of those who take issue with it, because they disagree and it is not the case for them.

Which is sheer intellectual cowardice, because now anyone who responds to you, as I did, as a counterexample, will be written off as not falling under the "most" - rather, they will be "the exception", so you have conveniently set yourself up with a theory that cannot be proven wrong, because it is what you want to believe about those who disagree with you.

/sigh

I did not misread your first statement. I could, however, have explicitly rather than implicitly made clear the intent behind my counter claim, because you clearly did not understand it - and clarity is important when holding a discussion in writing.

[sai_salamander]

Oh gosh anon, finally someone saying this!! All the games pictured aren't exactly choice-RPGs, are they? Okay so Prototype has a sort of choice thing going on, but just like you said, you're playing as a character, not an empty shell you fill up with your own character.

I mean, I'm not saying that the games wouldn't work with an option to play as a woman as well, but that would change the characters so much, and I mean, think about something with super good quality cutscenes, like Uncharted 3 or a FF game. They're hardly going to run two lots of those, just with two different genders of main character. It just boggles the mind to think of it.

[(Anonymous)]

This. You wouldn't demand that books or movies let you choose from two protagonists, would you? No. Because they're telling a specific story that was already written. It's the same with most video games.

If it's something like an MMO where you're creating the character from the ground up, then yes, I think there should be a female option because there's no reason NOT to have one. But in a story-based game, the story is already planned out and the characters were all designed the way they were to play specific roles in that story.