[ SECRET POST #2170 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2170 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Nikita (CW)]


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[The Pirates! Band of Misfits]


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[Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell]


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[Star Wars Expanded Universe]


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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer / Angel the Series]


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[Avengers/MCU, Steve Rogers and Tony Stark]


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[Go On]


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[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]


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[Sailor Moon]


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[Persona 4]


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[Kili/Tauriel, The Hobbit]


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[How to Destroy Angels/Mariqueen Maandig]


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[Glee]


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[Les Revenants]


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[The Walking Dead]


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[The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest]


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[Gyakuten Saiban/Ace Attorney]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What was wrong with Arwen and Aragorn?

[(Anonymous)]

Was just coming here to ask this. I liked Arwen/Aragorn.

[brightblueink]

I'm personally neutral to the pairing, but even then I like how it was handled in the movie. Most of the stuff with her was inspired by the book in some way, and when I first read the novels I couldn't remember Arwen at all so her sudden appearance at the end of ROTK threw me for a loop.

[elaminator]

Me too! I adored them in my teen years. (Along with Legolas/Gimli and Eowyn/Faramir.) Not sorry.

[nagaina]

+1

I actually preferred the way the movies handled Aragorn/Arwen -- because putting your epic romance into the appendices of your epic fantasy trilogy lacks severely.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone once told me that when they were reading their books, they completely forgot about Arwen after Rivendell (she only gets a brief mention). This person totally thought Aragorn would end up with Eowyn and when Arwen showed up at the end of ROTK, they thought it was the stupidest fake-out ever. Making sure the audience knew who she was and remembered her all through the trilogy was a good move. If you're not going to do that, you might as well cut her out entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

Making sure the audience knew who she was and remembered her all through the trilogy was a good move. If you're not going to do that, you might as well cut her out entirely.

Yes this.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL There was a time after I watched LOTR that I intended to read the books solely because I wanted to know more about Arwen/Aragorn/Eowyn.
Glad I never got to do it.

[(Anonymous)]

It was really horrifically handled in the movies and basically shoved in because a) OMG ROMANCE IS NECESSARY and b) Liv Tyler demanded screentime? (No, really, she pitched a diva fit and refused to be in the movies unless they let her do more stuff that her character didn't do in the books. They almost had her at frigging Helm's Deep.)

It was overly melodramatic, fucked with and didn't at all fit with the pacing of the rest of the films, and practically no one gave a shit about it.

Personally, I just started tuning out every time she came on screen. And god, all those little "Aragorn is suddenly hallucinating Arwen with lots of soft white and possibly children or whatever" scenes drove me up the freaking WALL.

Aragorn/Arwen could have been done well (and preferably subtly). It wasn't. It was way too in-your-face, everywhere, and it didn't FIT anywhere so they just shoved it in and it did. not. work.

[(Anonymous)]

Liv Tyler didn't demand screen time. She was one of the people who spoke out against Arwen at Helm's Deep.

[(Anonymous)]

Our understand is different, then? idk, I heard that she essentially told Peter Jackson that if she didn't get more screentime, she wasn't going to be in the movies at all. I don't know if that had anything to do with Helm's Deep (or if someone - PJ? - said "fine, you want more screentime, let's get ridiculous" or something), but I did hear that she'd threatened that.

I could be wrong, I just know it was something that I heard from several sources a few years ago.

I hated Arwen's enhanced role throughout LotR. Ugh. :\

[(Anonymous)]

This what I heard what happened; Philipa Boyens, one of the screen writers, was in charge of Arwen's stuff. She really felt that the movies needed a -strong female character- and she changed Arwen to do the flight of the ford thing. She stated openly that she didn't like book!Arwen because she doesn't like passive female characters and that she prefers Eowyn. Unsurprisingly,s he was also responsible for breaking up Arwen and Aragorn and pulling the will-they-won't-they love triangle with Eowyn.
Anyways, Fellowship came out and Liv got tons and tons of hate thrown at her from fans. In response to this, she spoke up and asked if they could tone down the battle!Arwen stuff and use material from the Appendices (and thus we get stuff like the scene of Arwen's future; which is from the book and I thought was very well done).
If anyone's to blame, for the bad subplot, it's the writers, IMO.

[lunabee34]

To be fair, if she only did what was in the books, she would have had possibly thirty seconds of screen time. LOL

[(Anonymous)]

With how much I absolutely hated everything they did with Arwen, I would have been perfectly okay with that.

[(Anonymous)]

If they did that, I would have rather they cut her existence out entirely. It would have been pointless to have her because no one who hadn't read the books would have had a clue who this person Aragorn was in love with was.

[(Anonymous)]

True. I personally liked what they did with Arwen in the films - in fact, I hadn't read the books prior to seeing the movies and I was actually disappointed when she wasn't in the films more than she was. So... there's a different perspective for you.

[lunabee34]

*nods*

I really enjoy Tolkien's books, but they're a total sausage fest. I was glad to see more of Arwen onscreen than the books allowed for and glad that Eowyn and Galadriel both as much screentime as they did.

[(Anonymous)]

You're a tool of the patriarchy, congratulations.

[(Anonymous)]

wanting more female characters in a movie = tool of the patriarchy now? all RIGHTY then

[(Anonymous)]

I don't recall any gossip about Liv Tyler demanding screen time? The only diva fit I've heard about her pitching was about the physical training. Apparently she'd do five minutes of it, complained her hand hurts and then quit.

The stupidest thing about Tyler's casting is she was the ONLY actor to be hired without audition and they didn't know what they were doing with Arwen's role (whether they'd keep it to the book role) when they decided to hire her. Oh, and her being like the third person billed in all the promo stuff for ROTK.

[thaurfea]

Actually, in a recent Twitter Q&A, Sir Ian McKellan said that he didn't audition for Gandalf. So I guess not the only one?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Viggo did either.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the OP, but...

Nothing's wrong with Arwen and Aragorn, but it was pretty obvious in the films that how they viewed Arwen kept on changing. She's a warrior princess in the first film, but then becomes gradually more demure and passive in the next two films. I also take issue that, in ROTK, we're told that this epic, incredibly powerful romance she has with Aragorn isn't enough, that the only reason she decides to stay and commit to Aragorn is because they'll have a BABY together.

It was also pretty obvious that by ROTK they were grasping at straws to connect her to main plot (see: the whole "Arwen's fate is suddenly tied to the Ring's! No, we're not going to tell you why, but she'll DIE unless Frodo destroys the Ring (like hundreds of others) ... which is why Elrond must tell Aragorn to man up and become King.")