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Ten from Doctor Who.

Every. Single. Episode. Where he tried to enforce his morals and talked about how shitty mankind was and how great he was and such a ~martyr~ and all this shit while all the human characters licked his shoes.

Um. No.

He committed genocide MULTIPLE times. The Daleks. The Time Lords. The crab-things from Donna's first episode. Sure it was to save others, but when humans blew up the fleeing spaceship in the Christmas episode because they were frightened. He decided to punish Britain by manipulating them into getting rid of a leader that would have led them to a Golden Age? Thanks alot! I'm sure the world can live without whatever boom in industry/culture/science etc that a Golden Age from any country provides. Also THANKS FOR RESPECTING THE TIME STREAM AND SHIT.

He was a hypocrite. He was an asshole. He treated Martha like shit and mind-raped Donna without her consent. That massive whine he had at the old guy for making him save his life? STFU! You're regenerating! So you can go on and kill a bunch of other races! Be happy! At least Nine and Eleven seem conflicted- Ten was just so fucking righteous about everyone. Pissed me off.

Fuck he was annoying, and I was SO glad to see him go.

This, tbh. I WANTED to like him, I wanted to so badly, because he was charming and funny and sentimental and sweet as hell, probably more personally appealing than any other incarnation of the Doctor, but the writers seemed on a warpath to find and crush all my justifications for liking him.

Coming off of all that, I remember being really pleased when Eleven right off that bat told Amy he was nothing but a madman in a box. Because, well, yeah. Exactly. I love the Doctor having a load of flaws, I wouldn't be interested in him if he didn't, and I certainly don't mind him being forced to do a lot of terrible things in order to protect innocent people, but it only works as long as he knows it's a terrible thing to do and just needs to do it to protect people. Emphasis on the protection of people not protecting his moral conscience. Obviously he should do everything in his power to save lives, but the guy has very little moral authority. The extent of his moral authority is "don't make children cry".

But Ten was conflicted -- and he was also frightening. His righteousness not only led him to become something atrocious; it also led him to hate himself.

I think he's a great iteration of the character because he only appears on the surface to be good. Underneath, he's rather sociopathic, and his arc is about him coming to realize that.

nayrt

IA with this assessment, but given the style it was portrayed with, that's the sort of arc that doesn't fit the episodic format of the show very well. If it had been concentrated in one season, or half a season, with a very tight arc, it would have been conveyed way better. And if he had actually changed substantially, not just intellectually, by the time he regenerated.

It came across to me that he was only conflicted when it became really personal. Like, Waters on Mars he was frightening, but then was like "omg I'm a dick-IS THIS WHERE I DIE?! FORGET ABOUT THE HUMANS TELL ME ABOUT ME!" Like it was only a problem if he was effected.

Never once did he compare himself to others. He constantly berated humans and whatever self-realisation he came to was always overshadowed by his martyr-complex and self-righteousness. Even when he realised he was a dick, he never bothered to change himself. I mean, his last line was "I don't want to go".

He was a sociopath though, you're right on the ball there. He was an interesting character: but not a likable one.

It's a shame because when he's doing the silly, fun stuff he's completely charming. Interesting, what you find out about someone when you give them power.

This is kinda true. And frustrating, because there were so many opportunities for him to make big realizations and show awesome character growth and be five times as awesome due his realization and growth than he would be if he had been perfect from the beginning...and every single time, it was instead handled in such a self-centered, problematic way.

It was like RTD thought that the viewers wouldn't be able to empathize or care about Ten's problems unless it was all about him and his personal feelings. Argh.

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