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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-21 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #2180 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2180 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[personal profile] mekkio 2012-12-22 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Not much is mentioned on how dwarves look like, that is, whether they are ugly or not aside that the women have beards. Tolkien was very simple in his descriptions when it came to the races of Middle Earth. (Even worse when it came to battles.) For example, most of what we know of how Bilbo looked like actually came from his drawings. Forget about the dwarves. Except for Bombur who always mentioned as being big. Mind you, Tolkien never said whether he was handsome or not. Just rotund.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
That...sounds kind of like awful writing.

If he didn't describe basic appearances or battles, what the hell did he describe?

/never read Tolkien
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2012-12-22 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Lots and lots of nature.

Lots and lots and lots of it.

So very, very much of it.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking about trying to read The Hobbit again, since so many of my friends are into Tolkien and this new movie, but...you're reminding me just why I couldn't. *sigh*
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2012-12-22 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
The Hobbit, I didn't have much trouble with.

But good goddess, the Lord of the Rings...that just killed me. By the time the first Ringwraith came along I was shouting 'get on with the damned story!' at the book, and just gave up.
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[personal profile] otakugal15 2012-12-22 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this is why I got through 3/4ths of Fellowship, over the three week period that I had the book checked out and....ugh. D: Great story and I was looking forward to Elrond the entire time, but once I got there and such....I had to stop.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Tolkien was payed by the word, and didnt use an editor.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-26 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Tolkien was an environmentalist before they were cool.

[personal profile] adlanth 2012-12-22 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
Places. Nature. Also, things happen that aren't battles. And he does describe some basic appearances, it just that sometimes (depending on the book and character) it's very brief.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Are you kidding me? Today, if anyone describes anything, s/he is tagged as being an awful writer. One is not supposed to use descriptive language; it's weak! It "tells" rather than "shows!" It wastes the reader's time!

Welcome to the wonderful world of writing, man, where using an adjective is akin to taking the lord's name in vain.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
What? Description is showing. That's the only way to show in prose.

Telling is when the reader gets information second-hand instead of 'seeing' it (ie. having it described to them) directly. As is, the author writing that X the Magnificent is the greatest knitter in the land of Y! And then never actually describing X knitting or describing X's magnificent knit creations.
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2012-12-26 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
People are encouraged not to make their descriptions so flowery the reader can't make it through to the end of the paragraph without forgetting what is being described.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2012-12-22 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
He wrote like a teacher because he was a professor, which meant, his language was stripped down to the facts. As in, such and such battle took place here with such and such armies and such and such people died.

Like other people has said, he does take time to describe nature, which he so loved.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I'm pretty sure he wrote the whole series (or at least the LoTR part) just to showcase his nifty Elven language... though I could be wrong.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
IIRC, it's not even a foregone conclusion that elves have pointy ears. Tolkien didn't say they did and some artists have depicted them with round ears like humans.

Then there's the question of Legolas' hair color...

And there's the whole "Do Balrogs have wings?" argument...

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought somewhere there is one fleeting reference to "Leaf-shaped" ears.

And I think Legolas is simply described as "fair"? He's more red-headed in my headcanon, but whether I picked that up from the book or not I don't remember.

But the Balrog definitely has wings. That's my favorite chapter of the whole thing and I know it by heart. The wings "spread from wall to wall."
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[personal profile] omorka 2012-12-22 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
IIRC it's that the elven words for "leaf" and "ear" have the same root. One hopes that it wasn't oak-leaves that they were referring to.

Not going to get into the balrog-wings flamewar, which was old before I was born, although I actually agree with you - just, Tolkien was less than clear on the topic.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2012-12-22 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Not much is mentioned on how dwarves look like, that is, whether they are ugly or not aside that the women have beards.

Did he ever actually say the women had beards? I remember a lot of complaining about the joke in the movie where Aragorn (IIRC) mimes a beard when Gimli's talking about female dwarves, because, the complainers said, Tolkien never said that, and that's just fan speculation.
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[personal profile] forgottenjester 2012-12-22 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I read his books a long time ago but I never remember him saying/writing that either. However, I do remember the wank that part of the movie created. Mostly because some people were arguing that there were no dwarf women. But I could have sworn there were dwarf women mentioned extremely briefly. But beards? I don't think it was ever mention but it would be good to check with a few people here who know more.
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[personal profile] dazzledfirestar 2012-12-22 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
Dis Daughter of Thrain II is mentioned in the Appendix of LOTR, so yeah. Dwarf women existed. They're supposedly only about a third of the population. To quote Tolkien's Appendix directly:

They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like the dwarf men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart.

That's probably where the idea that they have beards came from since the male dwarves presented in Tolkien's stories are all bearded.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2012-12-22 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
That does seem to suggest girls with beards while being ambiguous enough that it doesn't necessarily say so.

(Hmm. I think Gimli may have been quoting that when Aragorn made the beard-stroking motion. But, it's been a while since I've seen them, so I'm not sure...)
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[personal profile] dazzledfirestar 2012-12-22 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Just vague enough to nitpick if one wants to.

Actually, yes. Gimli quotes that passage to Eowyn in the Two Towers during the trip to Helm's Deep.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
The battles always seemed to hold together well, for me. He didn't go into much detail, but since he'd fought on the Somme, he probably didn't want to; and many of his readers would very likely have been able to fill in those details for themselves. If they'd wanted to.