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[ SECRET POST #2180 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2180 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fraiser]

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[Homestuck]

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[Kili/The Hobbit]

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09. [SPOILERS for the Walking Dead]

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10. [SPOILERS for How I Met Your Mother]

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11. [SPOILERS for Rise of the Guardians]

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12. [WARNING for abuse]

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13. [WARNING for rape, noncon]

[American Horror Story Asylum]

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[MLP: FiM]

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15. [WARNING for rape]

[Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen]

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16. [WARNING for suicide]

[Doctor Who]

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17. [WARNING for rape]

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18. [WARNING for IRL murder/shootings]

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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I'm pretty sure when Tolkien wrote the dwarfs he didn't intend for them to look like Aidan Turner.

Why? Provide evidence.

But don't pretend that because Tolkien never described dwarfs as being prettyboys that means it's a valid interpretation.

Why can't a short, stout, bearded man be "pretty?"

Why? Provide evidence.

For starters, Kili was described as being blonde and with a beard in the Hobbit. So there's not a lot of interpretation with him being brunette and stubbly if your justification is that Kili could have been as such in the actual text.

By your logic, there's no reason why elves couldn't look like Danny DeVito.

Why can't a short, stout, bearded man be "pretty?"

Aidan Turner's Kili is neither stout nor bearded.

For starters, Kili was described as being blonde and with a beard in the Hobbit.

Blonde is a problem. Having a beard is not (unless you have some sort of minimal length requirement for a man having a beard, which would be silly).

By your logic, there's no reason why elves couldn't look like Danny DeVito.

LOL what? Elves are not described as being short. Therefore, Danny DeVito could not be an elf.

Aidan Turner's Kili is neither stout nor bearded.

He has a beard, and he is stout.

I'm guessing that you take "stout" to mean "broad" or "fat," so let's look at the complete definition of stout:

stout [stout] Show IPA adjective, stout·er, stout·est, noun.
adjective
1.
bulky in figure; heavily built; corpulent; thickset; fat: She is getting too stout for her dresses. Synonyms: big, rotund, stocky, portly, fleshy. Antonyms: thin, lean, slender, slim; skinny, scrawny.
2.
bold, brave, or dauntless: a stout heart; stout fellows. Synonyms: valiant, gallant, intrepid, fearless, indomitable, courageous, stouthearted. Antonyms: cowardly, timid, fearful, timorous, craven.
3.
firm; stubborn; resolute: stout resistance. Synonyms: obstinate, indomitable, steadfast, staunch, unwavering.
4.
forceful; vigorous: a stout argument; a stout wind. Synonyms: intense, sharp, violent.
5.
strong of body; hearty; sturdy: Synonyms: brawny, sinewy, strapping, husky, robust.

Notice how only one of those bullets describes a person's figure.

(unless you have some sort of minimal length requirement for a man having a beard, which would be silly

A man? No.

A dwarf? Yes. Since Tolkien dwarves are described as having beards from the beginning of their lives and they take pride in their length to the point that a dwarf will only be shaved if they are shamed.

Notice how only one of those bullets describes a person's figure.

Yes, which is why when "stout" is used to refer to a dwarf's physical appearance, they aren't referring to their personality.

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Oh my god why do you care so much about this. Did Aidan Turner murder your dog and force you to watch or something?

No, that was Ian McKellen.

Gosh! I can see that this is really, really important to you! I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were actually taking this seriously.

I wish that I could live a life such as yours, one so blissfully free of anything worth caring about that I could be upset about an actor not matching the description of a character in a children's book.

LOL, I figured someone would pull that out when they no longer had any valid arguments left even though they're posting in the same argument on a site called FandomSecrets.

...You do realize that they're not gonna remake the movies no matter how much you argue that one of the 13 dwarves doesn't look dwarven enough to you, right?

Oh, but they will, don't you know? And even if they don't, then this person can sleep soundly in the knowledge that they presented Valid Arguments concerning the depiction of a fictional character in a book that only geeks care about.

LMAO, because 90% of the people posting in this thread *don't* care about The Hobbit or Tolkien's works? Seriously, you can't argue about Tolkien's descriptions of dwarves and then pretend to act like "Oh, such things are beneath me."

I argued about Tolkien's descriptions of dwarves? Huh, must have missed it.

So you didn't at all post in this topic? How convenient.

If you're at all a fan of anything related to Tolkien, you aren't really in any position to call other fans 'geeks' without coming across like a hypocrite (unless just liking the movies makes you 'cooler'). And if you're not a fan, why are you posting in a thread related to his works?

Simply liking something isn't the same as being a geek. A person can like wine without being a connoisseur, and a person can like a book without going through it with a fine-tooth comb and obsessing over pointless minutiae. A person can watch Star Trek without deciding that it's necessary to learn Klingon.

And why would someone post in a thread related to Tolkien's works? Maybe to piss off people like you.

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But you're also posting on a site called FandomSecrets. What makes your arguments any more rational?

Let me repeat myself for people who have trouble with reading comprehension.

If you're posting in an argument about dwarves and Tolkien on FandomSecrets, you don't get to pull the "Oh, why do you care about such silly stuff?" when you run out of material without looking like a hypocrite. Because clearly if such stuff didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be posting on this thread.

Oh, now people who disagree with you have trouble with reading comprehension! You are a master, sir or madame.

Nope, just that person.

So, that person is a master, and you are not? Why do you have such a poor view of yourself, anon?

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And...what? That means that not a single dwarf has ever gone against that, in the entire history of there being dwarves?

Yes, which is why when "stout" is used to refer to a dwarf's physical appearance, they aren't referring to their personality.

It is not necessarily referring to physical appearance.

I love you and your reasoning! ♥

Provide evidence that Steve Buscemi couldn't play Frodo.

There is none. He could.

Right. And Steve Buscemi makes as much sense for Frodo as Aidan Turner does for a Tolkien dwarf.

If by that you mean "it makes perfect sense" because Tolkien is vague and, given that he's no longer alive, there's no longer a valid interpretation.

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