[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[kamino_neko]

this guy is established as extremely dangerous and fucking COMMITTED GENOCIDE ON THE HUMAN RACE not too long ago.

The Doctor himself committed genocide (or at least attempted to with about as much success as the Master's attempted genocide against humans) against both Galifrey and the Daleks, so it's not like his moral high ground is all that firm.

[(Anonymous)]

The Doctor himself committed genocide (or at least attempted to with about as much success as the Master's attempted genocide against humans) against both Galifrey and the Daleks, so it's not like his moral high ground is all that firm.

It's totally firm, and I'm boggled when people use this excuse. He commits genocide on species who are trying to commit genocide on other species. Species who are trying to kill others to keep themselves alive. No matter what, you can argue that the Doctor always did it for the greater good in an objective sense.

The Master was just murdering the shit out of people for fun. The Doctor also saved the universe, galaxy, solar system, planet, etc so many times he's better off alive to the whole universe. The Master just destroyed.

[kamino_neko]

you can argue that the Doctor always did it for the greater good in an objective sense.

An argument that the Doctor himself was wise enough to reject. He knew he had committed a cosmic scale atrocity, and has spent his last 3 regenerations atoning. 'Everybody lives, Rose. Just this once, everybody lives.' 'I am not a good man.'

Is the Doctor a better man than the Master? Most certainly.

But a significant part of what makes him better is recognizing that his hands aren't clean, and never, ever attempting to justify evil acts.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I think an entire species being murderous and hostile and bent on total destruction is good enough.

And I think it's the laughable conceit of some of the fans that they think 'oh, well, he's so immortal and knowledgeable and we totally can't look at his actions like that you just don't know you're human" blah blah blah.

A fucking human being wrote him. There's no godly POV in Ten. There's only a human one. And, yes, while his hands might not be clean, he would be PERFECTLY excused for justifying his actions. Anyone who thinks otherwise should grow up--honestly, the Doctor's childish views on morality are one of my issues with the show.

[intrigueing]

Uh...well, not really. "kill a bunch of people to save the entire universe" =/= "kill a bunch of people for shits and giggles".

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! It's really bizarre people keep bringing this up. Like...do you not see the difference between a psychopath and a regretful, say, police officer? The Doctor doesn't go around looking for people to kill.

[(Anonymous)]

Genocide stops being genocide when there are reasons behind it.

I see.

[intrigueing]

Um...no? It IS still genocide either way, extermination or attempted extermination of a race = the definition of genocide.

Now, the guy who committed genocide is not a monster when his reasons behind it are "I had to either a) commit genocide or b) stand around twiddling my thumbs while the entire universe got destroyed."

He is a monster, however, if his reasons behind it are "It's fun!/I wanted to conquer a planet/They were annoying/They were trying to usurp my power/I wanted to scare people into being my slaves/etc".

Please tell me you see the difference between the two. Please.

[kamino_neko]

The main difference between a monster and a non-monster, having committed an atrocity is that the monster's reaction is 'Oh, that's fun!' and to do it again, whereas the non-monster's is 'I did a very bad thing, even if it's the only thing I could have done at the time' and to try to atone.

The Doctor did the latter, the Master the former. The Doctor is not a monster, the Master is.

However, the Doctor knows what he did was an atrocity on a vast, cosmic, scale. He knows how easy it is to do a terrible thing. He's atoning, but he still sees the stain. And he wants to give others a chance to atone. Both as part of his own atonement (Help EVERYBODY), and as a reassurance that he can, that he hasn't damned himself forever.

The Master didn't take the offered opportunity, because he's completely lost - what the Doctor fears he could be (not unreasonable, as he knows of at least 2 evil versions of himself - the Valyard and the Leader from the alternate universe in Inferno) - but that only reflects on the Master, not the Doctor.