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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

if you are living in a white-majority country, then yes. you've got white privilege. deal with it.

maybe you're not privileged in other areas. maybe your life really is difficult. but don't say your life is difficult because you're white.

if you're not living in a white-majority country, that's different and i apologise. but i'm tired of seeing white people complain that white privilege doesn't exist just because they're marginalised in other areas.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Rejection of the term 'white privilege' does not imply that someone's life is difficult because they are white, but the term does in fact imply that others' lives are great because they are white. This is a false understanding of humanity that will never do anyone any good, and will only serve to perpetuate hate and cultural divide.

/2 cents

[(Anonymous)]

whoops. i think i misunderstood OP's comment.

however, i think "white privilege" is a very misunderstood concept. in its original form, it doesn't mean that someone's life is "great because they are white". that's what SJWs have twisted it into. truly, it just means that you don't face marginalisation in society** because of your white race.

**i'm only speaking about white-majority countries here

[insanenoodlyguy]

Then somebody came up with "white people tears" and other bullshit and ensured they would never ever be taken seriously as a movement.

[(Anonymous)]

sadly, even though SJWs often aren't taken seriously, they still have some kind of influence. as seen above, and in many other places, they twist the definitions of important terms into their ridiculous bullshit so that nobody even understands what they mean anymore. i guess it's because the crazies always scream the loudest.

[fuchsiascreams]

Perfect example: the word "trigger", which used to be a term that referred to any scenario in which a person experiences an intense recall of a traumatic experience, and which now just means "anything that makes me slightly upset and/or grosses me out".

Another example: the idea of "cultural appropriation". A few months ago, some random SJW called me a horror show and an asshole and accused me of being a cultural appropriator - because I told a girl on F!S that I thought it was cool that she was from Tasmania.

[chardmonster]

I'm tired of people talking about privilege instead of combating racism. Privilege is real but the sort of thing you talk about on a meta, academic level. You should then use the results of these discussions to actually fight the bigotry around you. Instead all people do is Discuss Privilege which only serves to make those privileged enough to have enough education to discuss privilege feel better about themselves. "I acknowledged my privilege, thus I'm on the good team. Oh look a black person better clutch my macbook closer."

I'm also tired of the phrase "deal with it."

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

sorry. "deal with it" was a bit harsh. i guess i just got a little annoyed because i see people denying the existence of white privilege a lot.

i do use the idea of privilege to combat bigotry in real life. i do use it to make people irl think more about their actions and mindsets and hopefully change those ideas.

for this reason, i think it sometimes is useful to discuss privilege. people need to understand the privilege they have in order not to abuse it or forget the needs of others who don't have it.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Blah blah blah I'ma social justice warrior blah blah blah everything I say has bullshit privilege.

That's how you sound to the world when you use those terms. Nobody wants to be told why their life is so great when they are living it and know that's not it at all.

There are very narrow circumstances in which you can discuss this. Very fucking narrow. The rest of the time you just sound like one of them. Maybe you are. Maybe you aren't. But that's what you sound like and that's how you'll be treated.

[(Anonymous)]

nobody besides SJWs is trying to tell you that everything about your life is great, though. that's not what privilege means, it's the SJW definition of it. "white privilege" doesn't mean "everything about your life is perfect because you're white". it just means "you don't face racism every day for being white".

(once again this only applies to white-majority countries though. other countries have different dynamics.)

[insanenoodlyguy]

You don't have to keep inserting that every time you talk just to remind everybody. Once is sufficient. If people don't read the whole branch of the thread they aren't worth clarifying to anyway.

There is also admittedly a truth that a lot of people don't care about things that don't directly affect them. Which is where the proper definition of privilege certainly applies: What's foreign to folks doesn't always get noticed by them. Which means people can be dismissive or even hostile when these subjects are introduced. I think that's where discretion comes in: misapplied or mistimed discussions can have an overall negative effect in what you are trying to convey.

This is not the "tone" argument. This is the "know your audience" one.

[(Anonymous)]

is the entire comment directed at my statement about white-majority countries, or is part of it about something else? sorry, i'm a little confused and i don't want to cause a misunderstanding by replying to something i don't fully understand.

however, for the part about that statement: it probably wasn't necessary the second time, you're right. i wasn't planning to put it again after that. but as someone who's lived in non-white-majority countries, it does annoy me a lot when people act like those are the only type of societies that exist and outright dismiss any alternative perspectives.

i just wanted to add a clarifier instead of ignoring a huge percentage of the world. but now that i reread it, you're right, the second time i added it did come off as pretty patronising and i'm sorry for that.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Don't beat yourself up over it. You seem like the type that does such things to avoid causing offense.

I'd put forth that while you certainly don't have to become something like, well, me... you don't have to bend over backwards and be ultra cautious either. As you realize, that can look bad itself. But more individually, you can end up stressing over what you say so much you forget to, you know, have fun in places like this.

[chardmonster]

True. But Dicussing Privilege usually doesn't help many people without it.

You know those people in college classrooms discussing privilege? Being able to attend college generally means they're somehow privileged.

The question is: do the people you talk to "irl" actually think more about their actions and mindsets just because someone said the magic P word?

"Hi. I'm a bisexual woman and thus don't have straight white male privilege. Please ignore the fact that my parents are upper middle class and respect my orientation, I've got an internship that might very well lead to a job when I graduate, that I am perfectly healthy and reasonably attractive my current social standards. I am outside this one group and thus oppressed." It's So. Fucking. Intellectually lazy.

I'm a diehard feminist half-minority academic and even I think this shit is getting annoying. Nothing personal, Anon. You're probably fine.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm definitely not arguing that people who have access to the internet/college education/etc aren't privileged in that area. it's very true.

i'm also not arguing that being marginalised in one area =/= I AM EXTREMELY OPPRESSED DOWN WITH THE OPPRESSORS. that's more of the SJW bullshit right there. people (especially SJW) tend to ignore that being marginalised/privileged in one area only applies to that one area. there is not only "privileged people" vs "non-privileged people". it's possible to not have white privilege while still having straight privilege. however, they like to think that they are SUPER SUPER OPPRESSED just because they're outside one single group. that's what leads to misunderstandings.

and it's not really the word "privilege" that magically opens people's minds in real life. it's more the concept of it. there's many people, especially in a non-racially-conscious area like mine, who have never even considered the fact that being white can avoid them a lot of judgement, racial profiling, lower wages and even unfair incarceration, while these things occur regularly to POC.

...sorry, that ended up as super tl;dr.

[fuchsiascreams]

Agree with this entire comment. I think Anon was coming off more harshly than they meant to, though. I really don't get the vibe that they're one of those self-righteous, Tumblr-bred SJWs.

[fuchsiascreams]

This isn't Tumblr. Nobody on here is going to deny the existence of white privilege or institutionalized racism (at least, not that I've seen on F!S). But this is really, really the wrong place to come if you're going to try and pull out some crazy SJW shit (like OMG U DONT THINK WHITE PRIVILEGE MEANS THAT ALL WHITE PEOPLES' LIVES R GREAT? UR RACIST!!!), because this community does not tolerate that bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm goddam tired of all the white guilt, and white self flagellation.

I'm black, and don't hate white people, no matter how much SJWs want me to. The whole 'privledge' argument online is just a word used to shame, not to open any kind of meaningful discussion.

It's a fucking buzzwrd now.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

If you live in a country where 99% of the population is white, white privilege stops having any meaning, right? Because how can it be privilege what everyone enjoys?