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⌈ Secret Post #2220 ⌋

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[Sherlock, The Hobbit, Doctor Who]

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[Hotel Transylvania]

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[Skyfall]

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[Love Actually]

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Yeah, that's not what it says. He said that he liked seeing Holmes show emotion when he thought Watson was hurt. You can be glad of something good happening in spite of the fact that something bad happened to bring it about. That doesn't mean you were glad the bad thing happened, just that you're acknowledging that the results of that bad thing happening weren't all bad.

Which is, you know, called being a reasonable person with an understanding of how life works. I'm not "glad" about various bad things happening to me, but I am glad about having the memories of how people I love showed kindness towards me in those bad times. Bad shit happens, it's the good things that can result from those bad things that make them not-so-bad.

Not to mention they had a very OTT and flowery metaphorical way of describing emotions back then.

Well true, but I think it's funny how people criticize Twilight for doing the exact same thing.

"The exact same thing" as what?

I'm...really not seeing the parallel here. Care to elaborate?

Whenever Bella gets hurt/threatened, Edward gets upset and Bella thinks that seeing Edward worry about her is worth the danger/injury. And everyone (rightfully) thinks this is creepy and and unhealthy. But they all seem to think Bella is a lunatic who is actually glad for the danger/injury itself, not just glad of Edward's reaction.

But apparently when Watson thinks getting injured is worth it to see Holmes get upset, then obviously he's not crazy, he's only glad of the reaction, not the getting hurt.

It's the same situation, both fucked up, but people view them differently for some reason.

but isn't Bella often deliberately putting herself in harms way just so she can get a reaction from him?

Only in New Moon does she deliberately fuck herself up in order to see her Edward!adrenaline-hallucination. Otherwise she's just a danger magnet/clumsy-ass person.

This.

The jumping off a cliff stuff in New Moon was definitely screwed up, but that seemed to be out of depression rather than an attempt to elicit a reaction from him (as she didn't think he'd ever find out.)

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fuchsiascreams - 2013-01-31 22:52 (UTC) - Expand

In other words: "I'm too dumb to understand language!"

No, that's not what they critcise it for. At all.

Literally the only criticism I have ever seen for Twilight (apart from the bad writing) is that Edward and Bella's relationship is overly obsessive. What do you think people criticise Twilight for?

Not "overly obesessive" - abusive. Because it is.

My point was that they do not criticise something that is "the exact same thing" as Holmes/Watson. There is no comparison with Holmes and Watson to be made and people who think there is are wholly missing several crucial issues and wilfully misrepresenting others in an effort to defend the indefensible.

Those of us who tackle the Holmes and Watson canon relationship in my experience nearly always do so with a recognition that Holmes is not an idealised love/friendship object - and the love/friendship Watson has for him is complex. But he is not an Edward Cullen, and anyone who thinks so is simply ignorant.

Well at least you understand that.

Again, my point was directed at the SOME people who DO think it is idealised.

Of course he's not as bad as Edward Cullen. He's not a 100 year vampire stalker. But he is often a jerk to Watson. And while Watson is obviously nowhere near the doormat that is Bella Swan, he is still remarkably permissive of some of Holmes' douchey behaviour.

AYRT

I more meant that I don't see how the kind of relationship that is so emotionally dead that the only flicker of emotional expression is one that only happened in response to a near death experience is the kind of relationship anyone would think was healthy and cute in the first place.

OK, they're Victorian dudes, I know it's realistic, but it's allowed to creep me out.

And, yeah, it still sounds like Twilight, only apparently when Bella reacts the exact same way, that makes her a nutcase and a pathetic, dependant loser.

they're Victorian dudes, I know it's realistic

Yup. And that's the end of that complaint.

You are stupid and wrong. And if you don't understand why then get the fuck off the internet and go back to reading abusive YA novels where adults stalk teenagers.

I don't see why you think I like Twilight. I just said I dislike it for being creepy and gross. I just find this to be just as creepy and gross.

I just find this to be just as creepy and gross Then your ability to judge, comprehend and compare is completely out of whack. They are NOT alike.

lol, the butthurt is strong with this one.

Edward's not even an adult, btw.

Go watch more Buffy and explain how that's not abusive at all

/not even a Twilight fan, just sick of bashing that doesn't even make sense. Seriously, you don't have to resort to making shit up to bash Twilight, it's shitty enough all by itself.

NAYRT

Edward's not even an adult, btw.

...he's 100+ years old. Just because he's stuck at 17 physically doesn't mean he isn't far, far older than that in terms of experience. Physical age =/= mental age. Honestly now.

First insulting the person you're arguing with, then saying they're wrong while refusing to explain how and why they're wrong, then insulting them some more? For some reason, I fail to see you being more in the right here.

Except it isn't the "only flicker of emotional expression". ACD is always doing this "this is the only time Holmes showed emotion about X" - yeah, Sir Arthur, until the next time you forget you already said that. It is clear throughout the stories that they are great friends, that Holmes values Watson, although he has an odd way of expressing it sometimes. And yeah, he's a damaged and abrasive individual. He's not a creepy, controlling stalker though.

I DO wish people would read the books instead of reading *about* them, or taking extracts out of context.

That includes a bunch of tumblr BBC Sherlock fans btw

Edited 2013-01-31 07:55 (UTC)

Marry me please ;)

And yeah, Sir Arthur wasn't exactly a god of continuity...

I'll just clear that with Mr Tweed first :-)

Sir Arthur cashed in enormous cheques over the lifeless body of continuity...bless him.