[ SECRET POST #2231 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2231 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sensitive to sounds and voices, I admit. It just seems like most dub VAs scream their lines even in quiet, non-action scenes where they speak louder than the scene calls for (scenes where the Japanese VAs are quiet, even whispering, projecting intimacy that I don't get in dubs due to the lousy acting). I don't like it. I'm not saying all dubs are bad but even the best ones tend to have their problems w/certain character VAs and scenes.

Also, dubbed anime tends to make major changes to dialogue, story lines, possibly even cutting out entire episodes and/or seasons (see Sailormoon for an example of this), and major changes to characters (see the lesbian relationship in Sailormoon (Haruka/Michiru) changed to a cousin relationship. Or in Samurai Deeper Kyo where the dialogue for one character was changed from "I hate myself" to "I hate you" when I decided to check out the English dub (saw it/heard it and didn't bother watching anymore of the English dub although the voices did seem okay for the few minutes I watched it). I despise those changes with the passions of a thousand fiery suns. Or the Saiyuki dub. OMG. When I tried to watch the English dub, Idek wth I was watching. Hakkai's constant swearing and being angry in the English dub vs. his calmness and mild, very occasional swearing in the Japanese subs, etc. It was the worst.

I just. Dubs are bad, okay? I guess you could say I'm a story purist at heart. I don't like the changes most dubbers inflict on the story to make it "appeal" to English audiences instead of leaving the story line intact.

[(Anonymous)]

It really *has* been a long time since you watched a dub, hasn't it? I've been a dub fan for YEARS and I haven't seen a single instance of what you just described. One or two *words* might occasionally be changed to fit the mouth flaps, but I've never seen whole scenes or seasons changed or scrapped at all.

Like OP said, the English dubbing industry *has* come pretty far in recent years, and I think they understand that making those kinds of changes is unacceptable and unnecessary. If, for example, there's homosexual subtext in the Japanese version, the homosexual subtext remains in the English dub. And a lot of the voice actors often acknowledge it openly and talk about it positively at cons.

Without wanting to be rude, you opinion does sound as if its being based on *very* dated experience.

[(Anonymous)]

These days they don't often choose words to match the mouth movements, they reanimate the mouth movements to fit the new lines. Animation techniques in the West have moved a long way from the old Flintstones and Top Cat days. Cartoons don't look like that anymore unless it is a conscious style choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Seems like dub-haters don't actually watch dubs. The incident you're talking about in Sailor Moon was ... what, in the early 90s? It's twenty years later. As stated above, words might be changed to fit mouth flaps or naturalized a little to foreign viewers unfamiliar with small things in Japanese culture. I could confidently say that massive changes are extremely rare these days, and translations are done as accurately as possible for Western audiences and with the best of intentions. Furthermore, in my experience, anti-dubbers who complain about translation differences usually don't speak Japanese and often don't realize that the original line either has more than one meaning in English, or that their fansub might have made a mistake.

I remember in particular, one series translated in the most popular fansub "omoshiroi na" as It's interesting, and the official dub translated it as It's fun. One anti-dubber made a huge racket about it, not realizing that omoshiroi has both meanings.

Point being, when anime is dubbed, the dubbers are not out to get you, to saturate your anime in inaccuracies, homophobia or whatever. Especially today. The only exception of some changes I could think of are in children's shows that are showed on TV, but I don't think huge changes are ever made - again, Japanese culture things that kids might not get, and perhaps being forced to cut some material viewed "not appropriate" - which is not their fault, that's the network rules. Like stuff in the original Pokemon anime that got cut, James wearing boobs and squeezing them often or something - that won't fly for children's programming in the US and that's just how it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Not that anon, but

I watch the dubs of recent stuff and I still think a lot of the passion is lost in the dub. I have a few favorite English VA's, and they are the only reasons I watch some dubbed versions... but the dubbed and subbed versions of a series are two different stories entirely.

I kinda feel sorry for the dubbed-exclusive viewers in some cases because the Japanese language can use one word where in English it would have to be a whole sentence to have the same meaning... and it just looses something.

Also if your watching a fighting anime that has attacks, it just sounds stupid in English.

[(Anonymous)]

...Just throwing this out there, but... Sailor Moon? Samurai Deeper Kyo? Saiyuki? When was the last time you watched a dub? The quality of the work the industry is putting out now is like night and day compared to what it was a decade ago.