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[ SECRET POST #2235 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2235 ⌋

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[Transformers More Than Meets the Eye #13]

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[Agent Romanov/Black Widow, MCU]

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[Richard Armitage]

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[James Bond: Skyfall]

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[Frankie Boyle]

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[Michael Trucco & Sandra Hess]

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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II, The Sith Lords]

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[The Following]

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[Battlestar Galactica and The Walking Dead]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Jennifer Connelly]

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[Castle]

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[BBC's Robin Hood]

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[The Most Popular Girls in School]

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[Legend of Korra]

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[Steam Powered Giraffe]

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I guess it just goes with the Bond franchise. I also miss the old Bond(s) - I grew up with Brosnan's Bond and I miss him, but I still like Craig. I loved the old M's, but I can't wait to see Ralph Fiennes' M in the next movies. At least this is the case for the "old" Bond fans. I feel like a lot of the new Skyfall fans haven't even seen any of the old Bond movies and just don't care.

I feel your pain. I grew up with the Roger Moore films and it took me a while to adjust to Daniel Craig because the tone of the franchise changed so dramatically with Casino Royale. It was more like the books, which I love, but not what I was used to seeing. I was really excited when the Bond fandom exploded with activity thanks to Skyfall but that waned quickly when I realized that almost no one had watched any of the other movies. Most of the ones that did only watched the Craig!Bond ones :( I love the franchise as a whole and wish there were more James Bond fans who participated in fandom instead of just Craig!Bond or 00Q fans.

ayrt

I absolutely HATED both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. They were good action movies, but shitty Bond movies. I was so relieved that Skyfall was excellent and just felt more like Bond to me, and it finally reconciled me with Craig's Bond. I ship 00Q, too, but it really makes me feel a bit alone when I try to talk about Bond in general to my fellow shippers and they only know the Craig movies. I know that especially the old Bonds are kind of cheesy if you watch them now for the first time, but some of them are still damn good. And Brosnan's Bond was just brilliant.

AYRT

I was actually really disappointed with the Brosnan movies at the time but it didn't have anything to do with him. And now that I've seen them so many times, I can't really even remember what I didn't like aside from the invisible car in Die Another Day and the general crappiness of using BMWs in Bond films at all.

I love the cheesiness of the older movies. That was kind of the point in the Roger Moore era. But I guess maybe if I didn't know them before now I might have trouble with them. I've tried to get some of my fellow Skyfall fans to watch the Sean Connery movies because they were a lot more like Skyfall in terms of cheesiness; it was there but it wasn't the central focus.

I just ordered the Bond 50 blu-ray set from Amazon because it's on sale this week for $130 which is still really expensive but as affordable as I can imagine this set ever being. I think my excitement over that purchase has maybe blinded me to the reasons why new fans wouldn't like the older movies.

Ironically the much derided invisible car is pretty realistic. The basic tech is sound, it just needs a little refinement. You can expect to see real world applications (maybe not to make cars invisible, but certainly to show off and look fantastic and/or silly) within the decade.

The thing people call the most unrealistic is the most realistic part of it.

Skyfall had a couple of very mean spirited jibes (and one particular moment of blatant disrespect too) at the older movies, made worse because it was the anniversary extravaganza too, which ruined it for me. If it hadn't been for that it might have been borderline okay, but as it is. Nah. Also, isn't it about time we got the gun barrel/spotlight opening back? I heard they put it in for some markets, but not on the main release. Until we get that back at the start of the movie then it isn't Bond.

Sounds like you have a very narrow and specific view of what constitutes a Bond movie. You should probably stick to the older ones because Barbara Broccoli has made it clear that they're continuing in the vein of Skyfall.

Craig only has another movie left in his face, two if he wants to risk looking like Moore in View to a Kill, and the production team won't stick around forever. This will be old hat too soon enough.

Craig has three more movies contracted (two guaranteed and third optioned depending on success of Bond 25). The production team isn't going anywhere because of the very unique way the Bond character rights are held in legal trust.

Daniel Craig's Bond is the most financially successful Bond of all time and the only one whose movies have won major awards. He has many more moves left on his face.

That is the thing, people keep saying it mosre like the books, but it isn't. Bond was a charming sociopath in the books (pretty much Connery exactly), Danny!Bond is just a thug. A shaved chimp in a suit, and it doesn't even come across as a decent suit either, or a decent shave come to that. They are cut out and paste action movies. You could change a few lines and it'd be a Die hard movie for fuck's sake. Actually Die Hard 4 was a great Bond movie. I hope Craig leaves the franchise soon so we can get some decent Bond films (the deliberate trashing of the DB5 or the potshots at the old Q in Shitfall was particularly mean spirited). Dark and gritty is so over for me now. I'm ready for light and campy again.

AYRT

I said more like the books, not identical to them. The 2006 film version of Casino Royale is very much like the book, moreso than most films in the franchise. Off the top of my head, I'd say Dr. No and From Russia with Love are the only other movies that resemble Fleming's books at all and they aren't identical in tone or characterization, either.

I've warmed greatly to Craig as Bond but can understand why not everyone has. I also happened to like Timothy Dalton so am aware that my acceptance of actors portraying Bond is much looser than the average fan's. I hope you like the next Bond better so you can enjoy the future movies :)

DA

Timothy Dalton is actually my favourite Bond, though I'm fond of Roger Moore too (and quite liked On Her Majesty's Secret Service with Lazenby). Brosnan and Connery are the Bonds I have most trouble with, which I gather is something close to blasphemy. I'm still not sure about Craig. I want to like him, but ... for some reason, he never quite clicks for me?

Mind you, I've never read the books, so I've no idea what that selection says about me.

It is all the other Bonds came across as intelligent, thinking, men. You could believe they could hold a conversation while killing you. Craig's Bond is as bright as a two watt bulb in a power cut and as subtle as a gorilla on crack.

I can't wait until the fashion is for intelligence again.

I'm not sure. Some of the issues surrounding Craig's Bond, things like the right to authority and the consequences of turning people into weapons, the consequences of using those men-made-weapons, do appeal to me. There's just ... It's sometimes difficult to reconcile with the older portrayals, and the figure of Bond himself, at the center of it, becomes somewhat pathetic? Not weak, as such, but deserving of pity. There were previous Bonds who evoked something similar (Lazenby and Dalton), but the sense of a loss of agency attached to Craig's Bond wasn't there to the same degree with them.

Craig's Bond makes me uneasy, I think is what I'm saying. And I think he's meant to, yes, but it makes his movies more difficult to watch.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-02-15 17:31 (UTC) - Expand

I'm a huge Timothy Dalton!Bond fan as well. I just love the movies he was in. Especially License to Kill. I really need to do a Bond re-watch...

I really need to do a Bond re-watch...

I think I do too! And yes, License to Kill is I think one of my favourites.

AYRT

...which I gather is something close to blasphemy. I have issues about that, actually. I loved Connery (who was gone before my time) but this attitude of him being the best Bond ever simply because he was the first is ridiculous to me. It just seems like the media is parroting old ideas that just don't apply anymore. But most Bond fans alive today weren't alive when Dr. No came out in 1962. Most Bond fans have grown up with a whole backlog of multiple actors as Bond showing on their TV sets and in theaters. That's a good thing. That means people can pick from amongst now 23 films and 6 actors to determine what they liked best. "What I like isn't what you like" is okay. There's no right or wrong preference and I wish the media in particular but also older fans (many of whom are parroting what they heard their fathers say when Lazenby or Moore took over) would stop perpetuating such a ridiculous notion. There are many reasons to like or not like any of the actors and the movies but I just don't see popular opinion being a valid reason.

/rant

Sorry, I've just heard this from so many people that I later learn haven't even seen most of the movies or in some cases any portrayal other than one or two (usually one Connery movie and all the Craig movies). It drives me mental.

I actually enjoyed most of them, some less than others. Maybe I was lucky, though, because my Dad (who would have come to the films around late Connery/early Roger Moore's time, I think) had read the books first, and actually favours Dalton too. So I never really got the whole 'Connery is the only Bond' thing. Technically, I came in around Brosnan's era, but Brosnan just ... doesn't really do it for me, and backtracking netted me Dalton, Moore and Lazenby, all of which I liked better. Basically, as you said, if you come in late, you get the option of cherry-picking, which is in some ways better.

I do think any opinion is valid, provided you've actually see the thing yourself. Don't diss anything you haven't seen, yes?

I love Timothy Dalton. I'm biased because I loved him before I ever watched a Bond film or knew that he had played him. The Living Daylights great.

Moore and Brosnan are my least favorites. I think they're the least interesting to watch.

I'm not sure how I feel about Lazenby because Diana Rigg stole that movie and made it one of my favorites. I like Connery and Craig a lot.

I'd seen a couple of Bond films before Skyfall but after Skyfall came out, I went and watched all of them. I didn't watch them in order, but I did want to see the whole franchise and I'm glad I did it. There were some great films in there(and some pretty awful ones).

Also, I thought babyQ was fine in the movie but the fandom has kind of made me resent him.

is new!q fandom generally obnoxious/awful?

i just discovered the joy of q through a gifset on tumblr and he's pretty damn attractive to me to the point i'm planning on watching skyfall for his scenes but if the fandom is terrible i'd like to know so i can avoid them accordingly

on a scale of 1-Once-ler, where would the fandom fall?

00Q / Q fandom has already peaked and is now going downhill if that's what you are asking. I liked some of the fics, but then I like fluff. There's the usual non-con and recovery tropes, the uke/seme dynamics because Q is as thick as my little finger, and half the fandom is under BBC Sherlock fandom occupation.

I'd say don't get too involved and only read the fics that are recommended many times - and if you don't like these ones when forget about the fandom.

Fandom is often completely obnoxious and off putting when it comes to their favorites. I've lost count of the amount of characters and series that the supposed fans have ruined via the usual dipshittery.

Hm. Sorry to butt in, but I guess I really like Craig's part of the Bond franchise because it's so much like the books. I mean, Ian Fleming did really quite enjoy romanticizing the heck out of the espionage field at times, but there was a lot of really dark gritty stuff that was rarely part of the older film franchises.

So while I like the different film iterations for different reasons (it is really hard to take Connery seriously at times, for example, which is great if you want to watch a ridiculous, over-the-top spy thriller), I think Craig's is closest to my heart.

Plus he's the only one that really made me want to write for the Bond fandom.

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