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[ SECRET POST #2236 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Inda series]

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[Les Miserables and Discworld]

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[Three Kingdoms 2010, Legend of Chu and Han]

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[DBSK]

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[The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Shivering Isles)]

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09. [SPOILERS for ]

[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]

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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]

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11. [WARNING for rape]

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12. [possible warning for sexual assault (as I'm sure the thread will contain discussion of it)]

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13. [WARNING for abuse]

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14. [WARNING for rape, abuse, etc]

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15. [WARNING for suicide]

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16. [WARNING for eating disorders]

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17. [WARNING for rape/non-con]

[Homestuck]

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when really I think they're fucking ridiculously stupid and their mere existence exhausts me. You're all children and I don't believe you're entitled to your bullshit opinions when they conflict with education, basic reason, and scientific data. Your point of view does not hold the same weight as someone who studied in that field or at the very least didn't drop out of high school. Believe whatever you want but stop making the adults pretend it isn't stupid. I believe some pretty dumb stuff and I don't talk about it in public because at least I can acknowledge I'm being ridiculous.

Sorry people are religious I guess

Sorry I don't give a fuck about your passive-aggressive little dig. People can be stupid as they want to be and I can complain about them shoving my face in it as voraciously as I want.

You realize you just implied you think religion conflicts with "education, basic reason, and scientific data".

For all you know OP could be bitching about people who believe in ghosts or abstinence-only education.

DA said it, not me. Ghosts are actually one of my stupid beliefs. But you are correct that I left it vague because there are a lot of things I meant.

OT but I don't think of myself as a person who believes in ghosts... until I'm alone at night. Then I want to donate all my money to ghostbusting researchers. The difference is I don't actually follow through on that urge.

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I don't know if this counts as majority but I despise anti-vaxxers. Overall I'm just sick of the whole attitude that you can't be called stupid because its your opinion~.

And to people who need to inform you they've personally decided science is bullshit and *insert ramble here* proves *insert anything here* is fake. No one cares. If you're so damn smart go win a Nobel prize you arrogant delusional ass. Scientists don't reject new ideas -- just the dum, unverified ones.

I do too--and I really feel sorry for their kids, too. Once someone's stupid beliefs start actually hurting people, then that should be where they stop having the right to have them.

If herd immunity weren't a thing, then their kids would be horribly sick and they just make me go ugh because I can't believe anyone would do that while being a thinking, rational human.

I agree tbh

DA

Religion basically boils down to grown adults having imaginary friends, adopted from literature, with immense magical powers. And believing it. And not being considered insane, because the vast majority of educated people believe something similar. I just can't respect that. It's brainless nonsense.

What bothers me most is how many of those educated people seem to have never really examined those beliefs.

The educated usually do examine them because education naturally inclines people to examine things they've been taught. Some of the most intelligent people I know will fully admit that the things they believe in may be, in anon's words, imaginary. And they accept it, because "real" in the scientific sense or not, their belief makes their lives better and makes them better people.

And since these people aren't the ones telling anyone else that they need to live by the same beliefs or burn in hell, I don't find anything stupid or wrong with them.

The highly educated, sure. Most of the educated people in my day to day life haven't. A lot of the times when I draw their attention to basic contradictions or logical fallacies they seem really thrown. But I really agree with your second point. I don't care what silly irrational things people choose to believe until they decide those beliefs have anything to do with me an my life.

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sounds like fandom tbh

Some of them are really mean imaginary friends, too.

if this is about religion to any degree, the reason many otherwise "respectable" or "intelligent" people turn out to have some form of theistic or religious belief is because scientific data objectively cannot be used to prove or disprove it. that's more or less the textbook definition of the supernatural, and shunning these concepts on the basis of "reasoning" is an uneducated standpoint. scholarly people, whether they have theistic/religious views or not, don't hold those views - or a lack thereof - on the grounds that it's the more ~sciencey stance. it's not about science. it's not about science vs. religion either. that is a war waged by idiots, not the educated.

i know you've already said your comment wasn't about one particular thing but it reeks of religious intolerance.

+1. Everything you said is right on the money.

If "religious intolerance" means I hate when religious people try to impose their beliefs on me then I am fine with that. This rant wasn't because I am personally offended that some people like the concept of the supernatural. This rant was because some people think their imaginary friend or stupid opinion should get to dictate my life.

if this was just about religious people telling you not to get an abortion or marry someone of the same gender/sex then i wouldn't have said anything.

What do you think this thread is about?

If OP is speaking of religious people they were clearly talking about people who behave as if they are "entitled" to believing their opinions hold "weight" when they're discussing issues with people who don't share those beliefs and opinions. Not people who are just religious. OP specifically targeted perpetuating beliefs and ideals that CONFLICT with facts. Not beliefs and ideals that cannot be proved or disproved either way.

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FFS you're in the wrong thread. The entire comment was about people who think their faith or opinion equals or rivals contradicting evidence.

Your comment reeks just a little of defensiveness btw.

i know. i'm saying that science, which is surely where you're coming up with this evidence, cannot refute supernatural suppositions because science doesn't explain the supernatural. so just because some bitchass dawkins worshiper gets their jollies in trying to shut down religious views with natural law doesn't mean a theistic person's opinions mean less than that. science is not some trump card you can play that negates other opinions, because science has little to no place in the discussion. there's no solid evidence against theism because theism isn't something that warrants evidence.

i'm not religious, so i don't have anything to defend on my behalf. i'm just tired of people thinking that reading the god delusion gives them this whole new understanding of religion or some shit. scientists and other professionals in natural law don't know any more than some farmer from bumfuck sheridan, indiana when it comes to the supernatural.

What? Unless you're arguing that because someone or even the majority believes in God religious material should be given the same weight as scientific evidence when making medical and legal decisions for entire countries you are in the wrong thread.

Science is a trump card when it comes to disagreements and issues that affect more than the individual holding the belief.

Yes there are scientists who do have a firmer grasp on what is and isn't supernatural than bumfuck farmer. There are bumfuck farmers who think weather is biblical omens and insane clown rappers who think we can't explain genetics or magnets. Just because you can't disprove a concept entirely you can determine its likeliness. You can't absolutely prove unicorns don't exist. You can prove it's so damn unlikely no one should be legally required to buy unicorn insurance.

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You can't prove a negative, though. And saying "lol science can't say there isn't a god!" is like saying science can't prove there isn't a ten foot tall rape octopus in Japan that speaks French.

Re: I pretend I respect people who hold specific beliefs that the majority does

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I do think personal beliefs based on made up bullshit should be kept out of, say, the government. I can't stand people saying "lol but mah god no likee the gayz" as a legitimate reason to withhold marriage from a group of people. As if your asinine little prick of an imaginary friend matters in the real world. The Greeks knew their religion was pretty much BS by the time it was taken over by the Romans, yet 'Muricans still cling to "The Jesuz" as if their damn life depended on it.

There is no god, or gods, or supernatural beings. You're so fucking childish for believing in this bullshit. Keep it to yourselves and out of my life.

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