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⌈ Secret Post #2239 ⌋

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[Elementary]

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[Pokemon]

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[Noah, Power Rangers MegaForce]

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[Mass Effect]

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[Resident Evil]

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[Medaka Box]

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[Shameless]

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[Star Trek 2009]

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[Dreamwork's Sinbad, Avengers, American Gods, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Batman, Gunnerkrigg Court, Grim Adventures, Trickster's Choice/Queen]

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[American Dad]

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[Laurell K. Hamilton]

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[my neighbour totoro]

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[Medaka Box]

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[Downton Abbey]

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[The Red Panda, Black Jack Justice]

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[Dreamwork's Sinbad, Avengers, American Gods, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Batman, Gunnerkrigg Court, Grim Adventures, Trickster's Choice/Queen]

man, emperor joker was laaame

oh he was not.

Besides, this story brought us back best Bizzaro.

the whole event was lame

hell, joker: last laugh was better

Jesus, Harley, what a pose. Some get Hawkeye Initiative on that one ~~even though it's DC, whatever~~.

My first thought was "Aw, no Xelloss?"

Xelloss is awesome.

Seconded!

Exactly what I came here to say.

me too

& norse loki is superior to marvel loki. me x norse loki otp bros 4 lyfe. suck it baldr

I had to jump in and say that if that fanart is supposed to be Kyprioth it is disgustingly whitewashed, and I'm not even generally the one to get on people's case for that.

Also what I came here to say, ty.

Yeah, I like this type of character too. I love obnoxious tricks and pranks. If I were smart enough to get away with it, I'd probably do stuff like that all the time, but unfortunately (or fortunately) I'm sure I'd get caught, so I just like to read/watch other people doing it.

Neither will I, OP, neither will I.

Word.

I don't really see the Joker as a Chaotic Trickster, though. I mean, he is about Chaos, but there's something lacking in the Trickster terms. I don't know why, maybe it's the sheer malice to him (which is stupid, most of those other characters are plenty malicious, but Tricksters are always supposed to be Both Good And Evil, really).

That said, I just finished the Loki arc of Journey into Mystery and...dude, that guy did some serious chaos and trickery. The whole run was just refreshing as hell to read because it's the first time in a long time I've seen a Trickster character who was really, seriously cunning, and juggling about fifty different schemes and motivations at any given time.

Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a myth nerd, but I find it pretty baffling when evil troll characters all get promoted to tricksters just because they pull tricks. The archetype is way more complicated than do crap to people for the lulz. They're agents of change, both culture heroes and crazy villains, they help while they're still selfish, they create and destroy. I'd never put folks like the Joker in the trickster table. Too extreme evil, like you say.

Man, I really want to write this long essay on how not only Kid Loki is the purest handbook trickster from all the Marvel Lokis, but also how that run is just one of the best modern stories starred by a trickster I've read. And I try to read/watch plenty of those.

Exactly. Heck, even in Norse mythology (or what we have of it), Loki's actions read as "evil" but are 99% about bringing down the haughty or supplying some kind of balance via chaos.

And so much yes to your second paragraph. It seems like everyone and their brother (myself included) wants to write a "trickster" story, or a "trickster" character, but most of them just use some variant of "s/he's wacky and random and untrustworth--ta-DA!" But the writing on JiM just blew me away, because every time I'd turn the page, something would surprise me. Every time I thought I had Loki figured out, he twisted. And the whole time, he still stayed true to a central characterization. Also, the dialogue is just gorgeous, from the epic and poetic to wacky and childish.

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taotrooper - 2013-02-20 01:24 (UTC) - Expand

truxillogical - 2013-02-20 03:40 (UTC) - Expand

The archetype is way more complicated than do crap to people for the lulz. They're agents of change, both culture heroes and crazy villains, they help while they're still selfish, they create and destroy. I'd never put folks like the Joker in the trickster table. Too extreme evil, like you say.

This, so much this.

Mind, when I'm pointing to a modern version of a Trickster, I point at Q from Star Trek. Omnipotent, cruel, petty, a touch buffoonish, but also brave when pushed, and his actions overall cause more good than harm, despite being cruel and unusual at the time. An agent of balance through chaos, and explicitly in counterpoint to the more rigidly ordered pantheon that is the Continuum (and the Federation, really).

TV tropes describes what he does as 'obfuscating villainy', disguising change through cruelty, and I think that fits a great many tricksters, really. Though a lot of them are, actually, cruel or evil as well. It's just ... the point of chaos is that is swings in all directions, good and evil and everything between. Because, well, chaos.

taotrooper - 2013-02-20 01:14 (UTC) - Expand

well it has survived as a mostly intact archetype for a reason

that said

:D *~*~*~*COYOTE*~*~*~*!!!!

COYOTE ♥!

It is definitely one of my favourites archetypes as well, and Coyote in particular.

(Anonymous) - 2013-02-19 03:08 (UTC) - Expand

MAN, Dreamworks' Sinbad was one of my favourite movies precisely because of the chaotic trickster villain (Eris, wasn't it? :))

Oh, I like them, but I don't think I would so much if they were really overdone. I mean, I have a limit. I will get tired of it.

But as of now I'll certainly enjoy a Coyote or Eris when they pop up.

Tricksters FTW!

I think he was more trickstery and chaotic in The Avengers than in Thor, but it's true that Hiddloki's just not as fantastic in chaos as the other guys I know in the secret. THEN AGAIN, he's a loser and everything backfires on him, and people just can't agree on whether he's a confused woobie or an evil douchecanoe, so it's funny how he's still a trickster in this meta level.

Comics!Marvel!Loki, especially the 616 ones, do the chaotic thing pretty well and are magnificent bastards. Still, I wish he had more balance and duality because he can be too extreme at times. When I compare most of them with other Lokis, I end up not liking them that much. The only Loki I've truly liked from the lot is Kid Loki (I mean in Journey into Mystery; in Young Avengers is still a wait-and-see...)

I am just here to say fuck yeah Eris, I am so glad that there are people who remember her because she is quite possibly my favourite lady villain of all time.

Same. I love the villians who double as trolls. xD