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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-02-23 03:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #2244 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2244 ⌋

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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] ginainthekingsroad 2013-02-23 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The Gul Dukat is emissary to the pah wraiths NONSENSE in DS9 season 7. 99% of Dukat's arc that season is just plain awful. I don't mind the idea of doing something more actively evil with Kai Winn (the queen of passive aggression), but Dukat posing as a Bajoran is just repellant and insulting to the audience. Personally, I'd have tried mixing Kai Winn and Section 31 before ever thinking of putting her and Dukat on the same side. Just... nope nope nope.

Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

(Anonymous) 2013-02-23 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
While I agree that Dukat posing as a Bajoran is repellent, I don't see how it's insulting to the audience? Dukat has passed the Moral Event Horizon. And probably also the Sanity Event Horizon. He's always had a very creepy Thing about Bajor and Bajorans.
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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] ginainthekingsroad 2013-02-23 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
On most shows, with most villains, I'd agree. But because for seasons 1-5 and most of 6*, every single character had been treated with such an exquisite amount of ambiguity, season 7 is mostly just bad in comparison to previous seasons. Why BOTHER pushing Dukat over the moral/sanity brink and making him a purely "black" villain when he's so much more interesting when he's morally grey?

When a lot of the appeal of the series is that ambiguity, yes, I consider Dukat's melodramatic transformation insulting to loyal viewers. Why go for "kill all the Bajorans" when "work with the Dominion to regain Cardassian (read: personal) control of Bajor" is so much more nuanced and in line with his established characterization?

*I've written here before that I attribute a lot of DS9's decline to Robert Hewitte Wolfe leaving after season 5; but because it's such an arc-based show, there's enough solid material for season 6 to continue along lines established in the earlier seasons.

Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

(Anonymous) 2013-02-23 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, I hated the ending of DS9. Dukat and Kai Winn getting together, the Pah Wraiths (because we absolutely needed some kind of angels/demons parallel), and Sisko ascending to a higher plane were all things that I'd like to erase from the canon.
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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] mekkio 2013-02-24 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. They were really reaching for things to do with Dukat at that point. To bad they went with the worst one.
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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] lunabee34 2013-02-24 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
That did get really ridiculously convoluted didn't it? LOL
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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] ginainthekingsroad 2013-02-24 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
You... You have a Kai Winn icon. What.
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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] lunabee34 2013-02-24 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
It is shareable! The maker should be in my keywords. :)

Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

(Anonymous) 2013-02-24 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
...season 7? What are you talking about, there was no season 7.

I SAID THERE WAS NO SEASON 7 LALALALALALA
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Re: Things You Have Trouble Accepting As Canon

[personal profile] elialshadowpine 2013-02-25 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
Yeeeeah. I actually loved most of season 7 but the whole Dukat/Winn thing made NO sense to me. I think my reaction upon watching that the first time was "Okay, the writers were obviously on crack."