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[ SECRET POST #2250 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2250 ⌋

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[Stan Lee]

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[Pusher II]

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[nigahiga]

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[code lyoko evolution]

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10. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]

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11. [SPOILERS for Kuroko no Basket]

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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

12. [WARNING for rape]

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13. [WARNING for abuse]

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14. [WARNING for rape]

[SNSD/Girls' Generation]

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15. [WARNING for dub-con]

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16. [WARNING for sexual assault]

[One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest]

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I'm sure we can change that, or do you believe that sexual predators should just be allowed to go on being sexual predators. You can't cure that with psychotherapy, and the drugs don't work. A little brain pan scrape, and they are good to go.

If you're making that argument, why not just kill them?

Because they're a boring troll.

That would be murder. Its our duty to preserve life for as long as we can. Besides, when a lobotomized rapist shows at St Peter's court then it will count to time off purgatory for his sins to have endured that humiliation on earth. It helps his soul and doesn't tarnish ours by keeping him alive but incapable.

Lobotomizing a person with the intent to humiliate them and make them experience "a living death" (as someone called it upthread) doesn't tarnish our souls just because we didn't kill the person outright?

lol k

mte.

You might make this argument if the person affected has the choice between a lobotomy and being killed. As it stands, that's not how that fucking works.

Even if you do believe in irreversible punishment for crimes.

why not? rapists don't deserve to live.

Murder has to be wrong for everyone, even the state. Lobotomizations are the next best thing to the death penalty. All the control and punishment with none of the taking of life.

Because mutilation is that much better? Really? It took us centuries to get that out of the criminal justice system and you want to bring is back? Shall we start chopping of hands for thieving, too?

That is just being ridiculous. Theft doesn't hurt people in the same way rape does. I'd be fine with lobotomies for serious sexual and violent offenders. They are in a whole nother league from thieves.

That's not the point. The point is you're regressing to a point where taking torture and taking away bodily autonomy becomes acceptable as a form of punishment. I do not think that we should ever allow for that, as a society.

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Yes. Unequivocally and unreservedly yes. If someone is found guilty of rape, then being lobotomized and left to rot is a fair response. Here's a better question, why do you think rapists rights to freedom are stronger than their victims? Why are you so keen to defend rapists?

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Look into the history of lobotomy. Most people lobotomized were not rapists, or even particularly violent. It was in a time where as a psychiatric patient you basically had zero rights (it's still not perfect today, but better) and they could basically do what they wanted with you. If you were manageable for whatever reason, they could basically destroy your brain and your personality.

Seriously, you do not want to go back to a time where it's a-okay to lobotomize people.

Not people, rapists. Convicted sexual predators who will not cease to be a threat unless they are dead or rendered incapable. Since the death penalty is wrong, that leaves the latter. Its cheaper and more humane than prison.

No, it isn't. Destroying someone brain's is not more humane than prison.

And they will need care, as said above, which will also be costly. And dumping them with their family? Yeah...real swell plan, destroy their life too, while you're at it.

Something makes me think it's not about money or humanity to you - quite the opposite: i think it's about determining them to you.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty - but at least the death penalty isn't torture, ffs.

Prison is costly. Much more costly than a low intensity state care home. And way more costly to the taxpayer than the family caring for their own. If the mom and dad had done the job right then he probably wouldn't be a rapist, so I'm fine with them carrying the burden. Its their failure too.

As someone who actually took care of a relative with brain damage: fuck you. Fuck you very, very much.

Unless his parents were actually criminals too, they do not deserve to be part of the sentence.

It might be bad parenting, it might not be. Some people just grow up to be evil or malicious regardless of parenting. Some people are just mentally disturbed sexual sadists. All the apple pie and stuffed animals in the word couldn't have made them well-adjusted adults.

There are ways to make prisons less costly, by making them privately run and by making prisoners work for their keep. I'm all for that. Their life shouldn't be a pick-nick. But what you're suggesting is just disgusting.

You do not care about costs, you care about retaliation. And you do not care if entire families suffer as long as you get it.

ALL OF THIS.

It seems to be about revenge, not justice, for anon.

And prison being costly is a problem that needs to be solved, not an excuse.

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Must be shocking for people to have their own opinions and not immediately believe the same things you do. Terrible, terrible.

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i'm curious: why is the death penalty morally wrong to you but lobotomies aren't? also, how would you be able to tell which sexual predators will or will not cease to be threats, or are you assuming they all will be?

The problem of prison being inhumane (which is definitely a problem) needs to be rectified by making prison more humane, NOT by bringing up other "more humane" things to do instead, that aren't actually any more humane.

The problem with putting rapists in the kind of prison we have now is that they are in a position of being able to rape more people. They need to be isolated.

Lobotomy is not more humane than anything. Lobotomy rips out part of someone's body, part of their mind, part of their person. Lobotomy is a fundamental destruction of a part of who they are. At least for me personally, that is a level of horror above rape and above death. If you presented me a choice, "I am going to rape you, kill you, or lobotomise you, pick one" ... I think rape, maybe, rape is sometimes survivable, not only physically but mentally. You can sometimes recover from rape. You cannot recover, ever, from either of the other two.

And if it were down just to lobotomy and death, death. Just kill me. For the love of God, just kill me. I'd rather that than become a half-thing for your amusement.

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