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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-02 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2251 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2251 ⌋

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[personal profile] fauxkaren 2013-03-02 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I trust precisely none of the current (or past tbh) writers of the show to do a decent job of writing a female Doctor.

And it brings up some ideas about gender being fluid (because if the Doctor is always the same person, then he has always been male in the past and would be male in the future regardless of his biology unless you want to explore gender fluidity) which would probably be completely mishandled and yeah. It's opening a can of worms that would be poorly handled.

So I'd rather just focus on writing complex female companions. That is to say, I don't think the Doctor is necessarily more special or more important than the companions, so in order to have a great female character on the show, the Doctor doesn't need to be a woman.
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[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-03-02 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Basically. It's such a huge can of worms, and I don't think making the Doctor female is a victory for feminism or LGBTs or anything like that. Having well-written original characters is a lot better and is less likely to blow up in the writer's face.

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Don't tell me to stop having sex! You're not the boss of me! And anyway, it ain't gonna work! I'm gonna have all the sex I want, and then I'm gonna have a little extra sex of top of that, just to piss you off! SO THERE!

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This is a good comment and you should feel good.
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-03-02 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe in about twenty years, if the show or some aspect of the canon is still being continued at that point. But anytime soon? Nah.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-02 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Well yeah this is exactly the problem. It'd just be too much of an issue, the writers would feel pressured and inevitably screw up, and we so far have not really had main writers I think are capable of writing a good female Doctor.

I dislike seeing people push for a female Doctor not because I'd hate to have one but more because I'm just so afraid of what would happen if it got screwed up.

Like what if the ratings took a nosedive because of it? Then they'd blame the "female doctor" instead of the bad writing or whatever. That's always what happens when female stories do badly, the fact that it's "female" gets blamed and the real issues get ignored.
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[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2013-03-02 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, reading your last sentence made me feel ill because of how unfairly true that is.

(But, but, but...sexism is over, right?!)

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[personal profile] dreemyweird 2013-03-02 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This skirt is absolutely awesome.
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LOL, right? I want it!

(Anonymous) 2013-03-02 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It would definitely get me to watch it again for the novelty. And who knows? If they did it well that would be neat. If they did it horribly I could hate watch for half a season, then spend a couple hours screaming at the television and whatever poor sap happened to be willing to listen. Either way, sounds like a good time.
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[personal profile] taotrooper 2013-03-02 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Totally agreed.

Kind of related: it would be nice if we could get the Corsair on the show in an episode or two, at least, but like people above say I'm not sure they would get him/her right. Seems like an interesting character from Neil Gaiman's facts/headcanons, but yeah.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-02 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it blasphemy to want an episode (maybe the 50th anniversary) to have a flashback scene of One as a kid or young man just kinda chilling out on Gallifrey with the Master and/or the Rani, and/or the Corsair? It seems that any non-Hartnell interpretation of One just doesn't enter anyone's minds...

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-02 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a feminist, but I've never felt invested in a female doctor because I always assumed that the regenerations would have to be male since The Doctor was regenerating each time based on the same genetic code (xy).

Am I alone in this?

Of course, I'm assuming that the Gallifreyan genome thingy is even similar to the human one, which is likely ("No, YOU look Time Lord!") but not necessary. And heck, it's sci-fi -- if they can add regenerations (which I'm expecting to happen again), I guess they can regenerate The Doctor any way they like. Right?
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[personal profile] fenm 2013-03-02 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I always assumed that the regenerations would have to be male since The Doctor was regenerating each time based on the same genetic code (xy)

By that logic, all Time Lords and Ladies would regenerate into the same gender they were born as, right?

And yet, we have a canon case of a Time Lord who regenerated into a Time Lady at least once (the Corsair, who's mentioned in "The Doctor's Wife"). If another Time Lord can do it, I see no reason the Doctor can't.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-03 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm... now I kind of want to figure out if getting all the previous regenerations from the same genetic makeup would be remotely feasible.
(note to my inner inner science geek: you occasionally need to shut up. This is sci-fi we're talking about. Emphasis on the "fiction" part...) XD

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[personal profile] grainne_mhaol 2013-03-02 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish DW did more with having different doctors across different media. Get rid of the 13 regens rule and it's perfectly suited to being a transmedia fandom with all kinds of different characters. Have a bookverse or webverse or comicverse or radioverse woman Doctor doing her thing as well as the main franchise for the dodgy dude writers to keep writing.

You wouldn't even need to have elseworlds, because it's just else-times.

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[personal profile] cloud_riven 2013-03-02 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda wish they would at least test the idea with an audioplay since I know it's never going to happen on tv because of risks :(
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[personal profile] atelierlune 2013-03-03 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I see your point. How about a doctor of color then maybe?
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-03-03 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
I thought this was a pretty common opinion?
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[personal profile] omorka 2013-03-03 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
It has been established, at least by comparisons with Romana and the Master (and now even River), that the Doctor is sort of rubbish at regenerating. He held on to his first body unfashionably long, and he can't get his new bodies to do look like he wants. I suspect that if the regeneration after the Time War didn't get whatever combination of randomness and subconscious impulses drive his new form to go in that particular direction of "as different as possible," it's just not going to happen. (Unless you subscribe to the theory that his regeneration companion's needs/desires figure into the new incarnation somehow, and one of the future regeneration companions is a lesbian . . . )

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-03 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like this secret has happened a few times before; it's just been worded a might differently.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-03 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Nothing to add, you're just really right.
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[personal profile] kittenmommy 2013-03-04 12:30 am (UTC)(link)

I want that skirt!

(Anonymous) 2013-03-04 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see the only way you could actually do it, is plan/write the episodes ahead of time and tell everyone the nth Doctor was male. Then cast a woman and switch dialogue pronouns when needed.

If they cast a black Doctor, I wouldn't want them to spend every episode how his extra melanin is a HUGE AMAZING DEAL TO HIM AND HE'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT NOW. Female/male should be the same.