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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-04 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #2253 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
The main issue is people from the US not getting that not everyone with a Spanish last name is a PoC. Some are, you know, Spanish.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, exactly this.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-03-05 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Correction: SOME people from the US.

There are plenty of Americans out there who get that. Mainly Hispanics who would never be considered PoC. (Like myself. I am Irish-Puerto Rican and I would never in a million years be called a PoC with my fair skin and hair that turns blond in the summer.)

Like there was flack about Disney's Princess Sofia for not looking "Hispanic" enough when Disney said she was. Thing is, there is an actual Princess of Sofia of Spain. And she looks like this;



This is what a Hispanic can look like. As well as having a million different other looks. There is no set ethnic look. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but Sofia is said to be Latina. That girl is Spanish. Big difference.

Not that there aren't light-skinned Latinas, because there certainly are, but I just thought that was a weird example for you to use.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-03-05 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Excuse me, since when Latina =/= Spanish?

I must have missed that memo because Penélope Cruz gets called a latina all the time and she is only Spain Spanish.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Excuse me, since when Latina =/= Spanish?

Ever since Latin America and Spain have been on completely different continents? So, forever?

I mean, I'm sorry that people call Penelope Cruz a Latina but they're wrong.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I think this thread may need some popcorn now...

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
DA
So, Italians aren't Latins either?

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"Latin" and "Latino/a" aren't the same thing unless you're getting into semantics.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
DA: You mean Latina as in Latin American? Because there certainly are Latin Americans just like that little girl.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-03-05 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Simply go to Argentina. You'll find people like model, Luisana Lopilato



Which I am sure looked like Sofia did when she was little. And by the top OP's definition, Lopilato is a latina.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. And I never said that there weren't, if you read my post. But comparing a fictional Latina princess to a real-life Spanish little girl is strange to me.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
SA: I don't see how. It certainly makes more sense than grouping all Latin Americans together as if they were an ethnic group.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
It makes about as much sense as comparing her to an English princess.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2013-03-05 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Neither princess is English. They are both Hispanics.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
but spanish =/= latina.

They may speak a common tongue, but they come from two completely different continents. They are not from the same etnic group.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
You do realize the Spanish colonized a huge part of Latin America, so that yeah they come from the same continent?

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Please let this be a troll.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
If you get rid of the Spanish part then you are eliminating what makes them "latin" in the first place. Otherwise, they are pre-Columbian. Or to put it another way, if they had been settled by Germans, no one would be calling them "latin." So, you must have a Spanish influence in order for them to be "latin."

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Tony Mendez isn't Spanish, he's half Mexican. Though I don't really care because a) Mexicans, even full-blooded Mexicans, can have light skin, and b) Mendez himself has said that he barely even identifies with his Mexican heritage.

FOR A PROPER DISCUSSION/COMPARISON

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.oyemag.com/wp-content/themes/openyoureyes/images/tony_mendez_1.jpg

This is what the real Tony Mendez looked liked in the '70s.

http://media.syracuse.com/entertainment/photo/ent-130110-argo-affleck-cranstonjpg-ac1c1e0759de47a3.jpg

This is Ben Affleck as Tony Mendez.

So, what do you guys think?

Re: FOR A PROPER DISCUSSION/COMPARISON

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see a problem.

Re: FOR A PROPER DISCUSSION/COMPARISON

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
That suit is so ill-fitting on him.
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Re: FOR A PROPER DISCUSSION/COMPARISON

[personal profile] mekkio 2013-03-05 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
That top one is mislabeled. That's not Tony Mendez. That's who he was standing next to.

Re: FOR A PROPER DISCUSSION/COMPARISON

(Anonymous) 2013-03-05 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, my sincere apologies.

Oddly enough, however, I think Affleck looks more like The Guy I Thought was Mendez than Actual Mendez.