[ SECRET POST #2257 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2257 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.



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13. [SPOILERS for A Song of Ice and Fire]



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14. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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15. [SPOILERS for Brave, Wreck-It Ralph]



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17. [WARNING for suicide, self harm]

[My Mad Fat Diary]


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[Far Cry 3]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - ships it ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure you vastly misunderstood Brave - like virtually everyone else in fandom. The points of Brave were that 1) Elinor realized how much she was pushing Merida towards a life that she didn't want, 2) Merida got some perspective on her mother's life and the prospect of her own life without her mother, and 3) that compromise is a good thing. Remember how Elinor allowed Merida to wait to marry, and allow her to choose her own partner? Remember how Merida figured out that Elinor was trying to do what was best for her, based on her own ideas of how a woman should act? Those are all realizations that are the hallmark of an evolving relationship between mother and daughter. Merida seemed like a pretty typical teenager to me, if a badass and self-sufficient one, and Elinor came off as a pretty overbearing mother with good and loving intentions. The fact that they learned to compromise on their ideals is a GOOD THING - it saved their relationship and both of their lives, not to mention the future of their kingdom.

[morieris]

While I agree that Wreck It Ralph is better and that Brave wasn't the best...they seem to have kind of missed what happened in that last paragraph referring to it.

I think having that 'story section' of Merida doing something akin to temporarily blowing off her kingdom overshadows the relationships in fandom

[sugar_spun]

One of the issues people have with the movie is that it wasn't actually a compromise. It was Merida making her mother do all the suffering so that she could get what she want. This story arc reminds me a lot of The Little Mermaid. The character in question has some valid points and ideas for their life, but they're outweighed by the gravity of the situations they're in (Ariel could easily get killed by humans, Merida might start a war by refusing betrothal).

The girl makes a stupid decision (going to a witch for a spell) that disregards the feelings of their family and it actually ends up being their family who suffers for it (Triton sacrifices himself, Elinor is turned into a bear), and the girl is so unhappy someone else is suffering that we're supposed to take that to mean they earned their happy ending that they did not actually fight to get.

I don't think Merida honestly learned anything except for the obligatory "Oh I'm sorry" we get at the very end. I understood that everything you said was the point of the film, but there was no compromise. It was Elinor seeing their error of her ways and giving into Merida. And I actually don't think that's a bad thing--that's obviously the best, and most happy, ending. But Merida is not the one who earned it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying Merida necessarily earned it - I'm mostly saying that she and her mother learned to understand each other better. It did seem to me like Merida was about to agree to go with her parents' marriage plan when she was trying to stop the clans fighting in the great hall, but we'll never really know for sure. I really think the point of Merida's arc was that she learned her mother was NOT out to get her, or evil, or whatever else your average teenage girl thinks about her mother when they have contrasting worldviews. They found a happy medium between their worldviews - both were able to be happy with the outcome. I count that as a win, even if it wasn't a compromise in the strictest sense.

Sorry, I've just seen SO MANY secrets bashing Brave, and I ADORED the movie. It frustrates me when people don't get it. :-/

[sugar_spun]

This secret doesn't seem to get it, I can see that. But I disagree with the notion it was a compromise. Merida was the one who, in the context of a Disney movie, was in the right. She just went about it all the wrong ways. You know, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. But she messes up so badly on that part I just can't sympathize with her.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I get that she's not a sympathetic character to many. Hell, I empathized with Elinor more than anyone. But this is the first "princess movie" I've seen where they've actually put forth a genuine, conflicting worldviews relationship between mother and daughter. Both eventually saw the value of the other's opinion, even if the compromise wasn't equal.

[(Anonymous)]

I hated Merida from the moment her mom ate the dessert and was obviously VERY sick, possibly dying, and that ginger bitch only cared about "Soooo, have you changed your mind about that marriage thing yet?" I mean shit, even Elinor was like "Girl, I'm dying, what's WRONG with you?!"

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I've just seen SO MANY secrets bashing Brave, and I ADORED the movie. It frustrates me when people don't get it. :-/

I agree. I don't get why so suddenly people are bashing Brave when before people used to love it. I do get why everyone love Wreck-it-Ralph, but I prefer Brave over WiR.

[ex_valour601]

+1

I liked both (with a little more love for Wreck-It Ralph). My mom and I were both crying in the theater for Brave and we've been in a much better relationship since. I'll always give it that much.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT After to watch the movie I realized I was closer to my dad instead my mom and made me feel bad about it. Then I started to get a better relationship with her. I'll show her the movie for sure (I went with a friend to a Cinema).

[ex_valour601]

So glad to hear it! My mother and I ended up having a long conversation once my dad and brother went to do their own stuff (we all saw it together), and now I feel like we've definitely moved beyond where we were.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I've just seen SO MANY secrets bashing Brave, and I ADORED the movie. It frustrates me when people don't get it. :-/

Same.

[(Anonymous)]

I think "Brave" ended up suffering from Expectation Overload: first, everybody was going on and on and on about the female protagonist, the mother-daughter relationship, and how awesome and epic and groundbreaking it was going to be. Each and every viewer had Great Expectations about this movie.
Then they actually saw the movie and it wasn't like they had imagined it: not epic enough, not awesome enough, not groundbreaking enough, and so on and so forth.

But there's no way one single movie could have ever lived up to all those ideas and all that hype. I honestly don't know how they ended up with all these expectations from a 30-seconds preview.

[ryttu3k]

But the 'oh I'm sorry' is one of the most vitally important parts! Merida spends the ENTIRE MOVIE saying, "Okay, this is what happened BUT IT'S NOT MY FAULT". She was deflecting blame everywhere and refusing to take responsibility. By the end of it, she had grown up enough to realise that she DID have to take responsibility for her actions.

Yes, it worked out well for her. Yes, Elinor suffered a lot. But Merida has a lot of character growth growing from a teenage girl who thinks she knows what's best and damn the consequences, to a young woman who's actually taken responsibility for her actions and admitted when she's wrong.

Both she and Elinor saw errors in how they treated each other, it's not a competition on who gave up more. The point is that they both compromised.

[otakugal15]

This.

[chibichan]

A+

[chibichan]

THANK YOU. I feel the exact same way - I loved Brave (I've said this before, but my relationship with my mother was the exact same as Merida's relationship with Eleanor) and it frustrates me when people bash the movie or Merida... especially when they seem to forget everything that happens in the last 20 minutes of the movie.