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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-13 06:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #2262 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-03-13 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I used to think "what's all this about porn being so horrible and misogynist and such?"...then I saw mainstream straight porn :\

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
That's not even touching the way women who work in porn are usually treated. They're abused and bullied and it's horrible. A large percent of them are addicted to some drug or another and porn directors/producers tend to abuse this to force the women to do shit they don't want to do. I'm sure there are women who don't get treated terribly, but it's not the norm.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Those are some bold claims. Can you back them up?
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2013-03-14 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Obviously it will differ from person to person, and some people will see it as a positive experience - I think it was Sacha Grey who mentioned she doesn't regret it one bit and that a lot of her scenes were inspired by her own ideas.

That being said, that doesn't mean abuses aren't rampant. Just recently I was reading this interview with a Dutch porn star (I forgot her name, sorry) who was telling about how she was basically forced into an anal scene without warning. The way she described it, it was basically rape.

There totally are more stories like that, about women showing up on a scene and being asked to do things that weren't previously agreed to. Or girls on "casting couches" who end up doing more tan they wanted to do for a few hundred bucks.

A lot of women in the porn industry are also previous abuse victims.

Of course there are porn producers with some integrity (I actually know one). And I'm not saying we should collectively stop watching porn or anything. But, I think it's important to acknowledge that bad shit goes on in some parts of the porn industry.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Louis Theroux made a show about the porn industry, it was in Hollywood I think. It was so disturbing, he kept feeling really upset and sickened, and yeah it was the way the women were treated. There was one scene I never forgot where a very young actress came into the room to meet the producer, he just pulled her onto his lap and penetrated her without even asking or even telling her that was what was going on, she objected and he just laughed. It really was vile.

The other film that I always remember is "Not a love Story" about abuse of women in porn, and the sort of violence and nastiness in some hard core.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I worked for a filmmaker who made soft core porn amoungst other things, and this was absolutely the case. For him and for the producers etc he worked with. The women were often drug addicts and they were treated like shit. If they didn't do what they were told to do they were yelled at and called cunts. They were treated as objects to be used as product in movies sold to make money.

When you combine sex and capitalism, this is what happens.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a difficult time with mainstream straight porn, because even if every one of these actresses are 100% consenting to what's going on, what's going on usually does not involve verbal consent or anything resembling an equally beneficial experience. Women are basically thrown around and positioned like Real Dolls -- oh, the guy wants you on your knees in front of him? He just grabs you and shoves you down there. Oh, he wants you on your back? Without a word, he just flips you over.

This probably is some women's idea of a hot time, but I hate how it's presented as Just the Way It's Done. Like this is a totally normal way of treating your female partner -- just do whatever the fuck you want to her without communicating, asking her if she's okay with it, responding to any kind of verbal or body language she may be sending you, etc. It's just disturbing to me.

Never mind the preponderance of throat-fucking, choking, slapping, spitting (the worst)....ugh, why do I watch this stuff.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
SA. (Sorry, can't edit.)

If it's not clear, what I object to is not that this exists or that some people enjoy sex like this -- I object to how this is presented as The Norm of How Sex Works. So it sends the message that this is how you treat women, and women generally love to be treated like this.