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fandomsecrets2013-03-19 06:47 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2013-03-19 06:47 pm
[ SECRET POST #2268 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2268 ⌋
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 055 secrets from Secret Submission Post #324.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Everyone is moving over there and acting like nothing's changed and that it's no different than, say, the LJ to DW migration, but LJ and DW are two different platforms of the same general type of site (blogging sites). But Tumblr's blogging service is window dressing, the website is a social networking site. Which wouldn't be a problem, either, except for the fact Tumblr "blogs" keep eclipsing real journals/blogs and tend to drain users from more discussion friendly and dialogue based sites like, well, this one.
Things like Facebook or Reddit are actually meant to be social networking sites and not blogging sites, and they treated as such.
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(Anonymous) 2013-03-20 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)Twitter is "micro" blogging, so each tweet's character limit is much smaller than blogging sites' entry and comment limits. It is not a good place to hold long convos or in-depth discussions between people unless the back-and-forth exchanges are short. It is also not easy for other people to view the back-and-forth convos or other people joining the discussion. What it is really good for, is updating people on what you're doing and connecting with others. That's why it's more of a social networking site than a blogging site.
Facebook is still more of a social networking site than a blogging site because even though Facebook "entries" can have lots of words and direct comments, I can't imagine people posting stories on there. Also, Facebook comments do not have threading (nested replies) which blogging sites have. Facebook is designed for people to post updates about what they're doing and for their friends to comment about the updates, not for their friends to comment on what their friends' friends said.
Tumblr... I'm not very good with tumblr because I don't use it. From what I know so far, you have to reblog someone's entire entry to make comments that other people will see. If you are in a small fandom, that's great because you can see exactly who replied liked your entry and who relogged it and who replied to it. If you're in a big fandom, I don't see how people can find comments in hundreds and thousands of likes.
Also, there are people who believe comments on tumblr should happen in tags only, but I also remember people saying when they reblog entries, tags are not reblogged. Unless they want their comments to be lost, I don't understand why people want commentary in tags only. In terms of comments and discussion, tumblr's design is much worse than LJ, DW, Facebook and Twitter. I'm not saying it is not possible on tumblr but it is a lot harder to comment and have your comments visible to everyone.
But, even though tumblr is hard for comments, it doesn't mean you can't blog there. Just don't expect the same kind of conversation you'd have on other sites. The design does have some influence on the function of the site and what people use them for, after all.
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That's just it right there, you don't do that on Tumblr - what you do is reblog it, creating your own post, and then add whatever commentary or expansion you want. And it's forward movement only. Look at all the threads here on this post alone - dozens, maybe even hundreds, but they are all kept in a linear fashion, and when you respond to someone you respond directly to them, but also where others can see. On Tumblr you don't ever respond to anyone, you have to put it on your own blog and either send the person you are responding to a link to your response/post or just hope like hell that they see it - which they might not, if they follow a lot of people and/or don't spend that much time on Tumblr. Sure, you can check the notes on a post, but if there are more than a few hundreds then it's a pain in the ass to scroll through them to look for the right response. It branches outward, but never back.
end purpose and usage is exactly the same.
Again, no it's not. Let's say you take this secret we're all talking about it, create a post for it on LJ and a post for it on Tumblr. On LJ people can talk about to each other, but on Tumblr you would say something about it and it would go on your own blog, not on the post itself. And no one can respond to you on Tumblr - they make a post and write their comment, but there's a good chance you won't see it because there's no system to alert you when someone reblogs your post with a comment. You just have to go through the notes, and like I said if there are more than a few hundred (most of which are likes and naked reblogs with no commentary), then there's a solid chance that you won't see what someone else said to you because you can't find it. Whereas on LJ, it doesn't branch out into a hundred posts with that same secret, it's all comments and threads on that post, all right there on one spot. Comments are organized not just by when someone said something, but also who they said it to (again, on Tumblr, you cannot say anything directly to anyone except on private messages, which only you and the person you sent it to can see). If you are not actively watching that Tumblr post and tracking things while they happen, it's incredibly difficult to ever see it again. Which, if you have the time to sit at home all day or you have a smart phone that allows you to stay on Tumblr 24/7, is fine, but for the rest of us with a life, we will spend entire portions of our day or even entire days at a time not on Tumblr, which means once something happens it's over and there's no going back.
The only way you can use Tumblr and LJ the same is if you mostly didn't use LJ - you mostly just watched things, and either didn't comment or only ever commented to a general audience, without talking directly to people.
I mean, case in point - let's say what I said up there was a post on my blog. The only way you'd be able to say something about it is if you reblogged and made your own comment. Now, I might've seen it if you happened to comment within the right timespan when I had that post open on a tab on my Tumblr and I saw your reblog, but the only way to see notes is to actively look for them, which means if you blogged later than a few hours or a day after I posted it, I'll never see it because I will not be alerted. Even if I were, I might have to sift through hundreds of notes just to find it - and this is just if I posted it myself. If I reblogged someone else's post and then added my own commentary (aka responded to someone else's comment) and you wanted to respond specifically to something I said? Well, tough luck, because if I check back the notes on that post I'm not going to see just people who reblogged my post, I'll be seeing anyone whoever reblogged the original post via someone else's blog, all mixed up and drowned in likes and reblogs that have no comment in them. So most likely, if you responded to my comment, I would never have seen it, and that means I would never reply to it - which means, no dialogue.
Tumblr isn't a discussion site, it's a peanut gallery. Which is nice if you want to spread your art or fic around and just skim what people say about it without ever responding, but useless if you want to do anything beyond the most superficial level.
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On the dash it automatically shows if someone reblogs a post of yours/from you and adds commentary. There's no need to send links. I mean, I agree it works massively differently from LJ/DW and discussion is not its strength, but it is fully possible to have discussion without ever going to private messages (though, possible downside: effs up the note count so the post appears to be more popular than actually is. ...mostly a downside if you got into an interesting topic on a post which started with content you dislike).
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And I know Tumblr isn't meant for discussion. That's not my problem with the site. My problem is with the people who act like Tumblr is perfectly okay for discussion and then get all upset or turn into assholes when shit happens because it isn't. Tumblr is little more than an echo chamber, which is great for a few, few things, but terrible for just about anything else, and the entire set-up makes information control a total nightmare, which just intensifies a lot of the worst aspects of fandom.
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I always thought of Reddit as more of a forum site, but I don't have an account there, so I guess I don't really know. I guess "forum" would be closer to "social networking" than "blogging" anyway.
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Which is exactly why it's not a journal/blog site and is more of a social networking site. You 'connect' with people but you don't really interact with them, or only do so very superficially. But on blog sites like LJ or here on DW, you interact with people and talk to them and stuff. That's what I mean when I say that Tumblr isn't a real blogging site - you can post things, but there isn't really any way to directly interact with someone else's besides the Likes function - if you want to do anything else, you have to reblog it, creating your own post instead of interacting with the original post, and then comment or expand or reply or whatever. And it only goes forward and can't really go back on its own, which makes dialogue difficult if not impossible.
I think a better way to look at it all is more of a circular or three-dimensional spectrum rather than a category. You've got LJ and DW sort of here on one end, and then depending on how you use them you've got Tumblr and then Facebook on the other end, or you've got Facebook with Tumblr on the other end. (For me it's "Facebook, then Tumblr", because on Facebook when you comment on something, the comment is on the status/photo/whatever itself and it's at least someone linear, whereas on Tumblr you can't really comment on something, you have to reblog it and then say what you want, which makes it more like a branch/cloud function than a linear one - that said, other people use those sites very different so it might be the other way around).
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Since I'm a social and people-oriented person, I don't like Tumblr as much because communication is so complicated. I just go there when I feel like looking for pretty pictures or gifsets - usually after a major update in one of my fandoms.
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And I pretty much use Tumblr the same way you do - I'll go look at pretty gifs and pictures if the need strikes but otherwise I don't go there - I only visit about once or twice a week, tops, and it boggles my mind how people can spend all day on there - I mean, what do you even do...?! At least on Facebook, as mindboggling as it is, there are things like games and stuff that can understandably keep people occupied, but how it works on Tumblr is beyond me.