[ SECRET POST #2272 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2272 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, fandom has no pro writers in it. No pro writer has ever written fanfic. XD

0/10

[(Anonymous)]

Two words: Gregory Maguire.

And his fic isn't even good, IDK how he ended up as a BNF with a freaking musical based on his shitty fanfiction.

[truxillogical]

I'm thinking in terms of professional writers who also write/have written fanfiction. In which case: Ursula Vernon. She's never fessed up to which fandom she wrote for because she doesn't want a) a mass of people flocking to her fic just because she wrote it and b)any professional problems, but she did admit to writing and posting fic on ff.n awhile back.

[(Anonymous)]

Not just her, I can think of three others right off the top of my head: Naomi Novik, Cassie Clare, and Rob Thurman.

I think it happens way more often than people think.

[elephantinegrace]

You're forgetting EL James, but that's okay. I'd like to forget her, too.

[truxillogical]

Cassandra Claire is one of those people who's more of a ficcer made good than a pro-writer who also writes fic, IMHO. And published work aside, she still leaves a bad taste in my mouth from all the crap antics way back when.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yeah, me too, I wouldn't touch her with a barge pole, myself. But I see her books on the shelf, so there she is. Rob Thurman and Naomi Novik might also be "fanficcers who made good," but the fact is that fanfiction writing can and does turn into professional writing, and it's not particularly rare.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't Mercedes Lackey used to write fanfic?

Dunno about other authors, but that's more because I rarely look up authors outside of what books they wrote

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think she ever wrote - I know she tries to rein it in and manage it because, iirc, she had to scrap a book because someone wrote fic too close to her plot and it would have opened her up to a lawsuit. Over her own work.

Another author, though - Lois McMasters Bujold started in fic.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure the lawsuit thing happened to Marion Zimmer Bradley, and Lackey was just involved because of how closely she was working with MZB at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

She admitted to writing fic about her MMORPG characters on Making Light once, but I don't think she was posting it anywhere publicly. She at least had friends who write fic, if nothing else.

[(Anonymous)]

Diane Duane just posted on her tumblr asking for help navigating the AO3...

[(Anonymous)]

Diane Duane has a tumblr?! Would you mind linking me?

[(Anonymous)]

dduane.tumblr.com (she's not trying very hard to hide it.)

[ketita]

Lois McMaster Bujold was a fanfic writer.
She is also an extremely awesome and amazing author. OPs argument is invalid.

(okay, it was before, too, but yeah)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm reading "Captain Vorpatril's Alliance" right now and it is so good.

[lyndis]

This is what I came here to say. -_-

[(Anonymous)]

But don't you think the fact-free-ness gives this one a certain special something?

I'm not going to list the pro writers I know who were published before they were fic writers, as opposed to the fic writers who've subsequently gone pro. But I'm certainly not the only person who knows, or knows of, a number of them.

[(Anonymous)]

This part especially made it sound like trying too hard to stir wank.

[dazzledfirestar]

How about every single writer at Marvel and DC right now? Guess they don't count.

[truxillogical]

Wellll...

Gail Simone, who adores the whole concept and culture of fanfic, has kind of made this point fairly often and eloquently.

Writing for Marvel and DC is not writing fic. Especially for DC right now where it seems to be 90% of the editors telling the writers what to write.

Fic is kind of glorious in its freedom--it only needs to appeal to you, the writer. It doesn't have to properly gel with continuity--it can take place in completely different versions that only exist in the writer's mind. It might be beta'd, but it never has to get okayed by another human being. It doesn't have to be written with the visual storytelling in mind (a big detail, really) or the physical limitations of the story. It can be as short or as long as the writer wants to make it. It can be abandoned halfway through and still be good. It doesn't have to be concerned with its own popularity; it can just be.

Fanfiction has its own demands and expectations that make it a completely different animal than pro comic writing. It creates an interactive fandom. It can and often does focus on small moments and relationships that a published story can't afford to. It's its own thing, and that's fine.

That's kind of why I hesitate at folks automatically relabeling every fairy-tale-retold as "fanfic." Some are, but not all of them. There's a certain feeling to fanfic, a sense of community and sharing, and I dunno...

[dazzledfirestar]

I'm sorry but I look at things like Age of Apocalypse, Age of Ultron, the What if series and... I can't agree with your take here. The concept of a shared universe and a multiverse negates the need (and it's barely a need at this point anyway) to follow perfectly to the continuity that has come before. Editors and writers cherry pick what they want to work with in the same way fan fic writers do. This character speaks to the writer/editor/team and they have a good pitch for a story, they work with it.

The cultural difference (which is what it boils down to) is there, but at the heart, the pros are doing the same thing we are. They just have a far more demanding fanbase and process and a certain (arguable) level of quality that must be met.

[truxillogical]

The end result may feel the same, but the creation of a published Main Two comic is such a completely different animal. Fic may involve collaboration on occasion, but any give comic issue that goes to press is the result of at least five different people (writer, artist, editor, inker, colorist...letterer, EiC, collab writer, etc etc) working in tandem. Simone's got longer essays about it from the trenches, but while folks can look at it and say, "it's a story created with characters someone else made," the creation of a published comic is something that is completely different from the writing of fic. It's just not the same thing.

Editors and writers really don't get to cherry pick. Writers can pitch, and sometimes they're lucky enough to get offered a dream job, but nine times out of ten, they get handed a character, or a bunch of characters, and told, "Write these," or they request a specific character and are denied. Editors...well, DC's trying to cherry pick now, and that's why they've been running the company into the ground. There's just too much business and politics tied up in the whole thing for it to be comparable to "I have this plot bunny, it's gonna be great!"