[ SECRET POST #2298 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2298 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

NS, NF, etc.

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[(Anonymous)]

Those seem like two separate statements. I'm confused.

[chardmonster]

Yeah.

I mean both statements are great but there isn't really anything connecting them. I'm having trouble parsing this, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a subset of people who criticize fanwork producers for caring about feedback/comments on the grounds that they should "write for themselves" and that "if you care about your art, you shouldn't need external validation," or that people who are interested in getting comments are somehow "selling out." OP is saying that sort of attitude doesn't apply to fandom, where creating fanworks is a way of participating in a community and feedback means that someone wants to connect with you in some way -- which is an entirely different sort of activity than sitting in a shack somewhere writing the Great American Novel that will only be published/get critical acclaim after you're dead.

[kamino_neko]

It really gets me that these people make art an inherently selfish thing.

'How dare you want to make something that people enjoy? That's not what Art is about! It's all about you!'

[tabaqui]

You win the kewpie doll.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see why it's confusing. A lot of people who say (either outright, or here at FS) they want comments are met with the mentality of writing for yourself, not for others, and that the number of comments or kudos you get shouldn't matter.

Which is all well and good when you're writing the Great American Novel or painting something that won't be appreciated until you cut off your ear and you've been dead for a while. But fanfic is never going to be the Great American Novel, and it's okay want comments - just like published writers want people to buy the books so they get royalties checks, comments are how you "pay" people for fic.

It's like, there's a kink meme, and I fill one or two prompts a month, and I do it all anon because I think it's really ridiculous what I'm writing -- but I know what kinds of prompts will get me a dozen or more comments telling me that I'm a great writer. Sometimes, that's all I want to hear. That I can write something that I don't care about, but know that it makes other people happy.

[greenvelvetcake]

Now I'm imagining Thoreau spending a year in the woods, but instead of leaving with Walden, he leaves with a fuckton of Sterek and Thorki fic.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably easier to fap to, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha! I was picturing someone like Ewan McGreggor's character at the beginning of Moulin Rouge, sitting with a blanket over his shoulders and chain-smoking while passionately typing out his Omegaverse bakery AU opus. The girls down in the dancing hall pretend to find it fascinating, but they're really just interested in his money.

[intrigueing]

That's not what "comment whore" means. It's a joke. Though "comment slut" would be more accurate.

[silverr]

Yeah. my understanding if those is someone who "panders" to the audience and will write generic fic for popular ships in big fandoms to get comments. (Same type who hold updates hostage til they get a certain number of warm fuzzies.)

Not quite the same as people who put effort into their craft and write for fandoms that inspire them (no matter how tiny).

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing wrong with liking comments. There's nothing wrong with wanting comments. There's nothing wrong with posting, hoping to get comments. Feeling entitled to comments, well, that's something else altogether.

[silverr]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen this stated better. Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to ignore the second part of the secret and say:

Of course it's not wrong to desire feedback! I personally don't mind when an author asks for it, but it gets seriously annoying when they beg or say things along the lines of "I won't update unless I get X number of reviews". Then I just stop reviewing on principal regardless if I'm enjoying the story or not.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly this. Everyone wants feedback, but it's when you're whining and crying and begging for more comments/kudos that it gets kind of pathetic and annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

or when you're whining and crying and begging for feedback that meets your standards.

ie 'I don't like kudos'
'don't leave RITE MOAR'
'comment about three things you like and one you hate or don't bother'

trying to dictate how to leave comments and in which form is 'acceptable' is boorish and entitled.