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[ SECRET POST #2299 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2299 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kuroko no Basuke]

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[Milestone Inc./Radilgy/Karous]

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[Glee/RPS]

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[The Following]

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10. [SPOILERS for Resident Evil 6]

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11. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]

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12. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]

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13. [SPOILERS for Southland]

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14. [WARNING for ?? something]

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15. [WARNING for abuse]

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16. [WARNING for rape]

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17. [WARNING for rape]

[Spartacus / Once Upon a Time]

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18. [WARNING for animal abuse]

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Except that they ARE! One of them owns the person they're having sex with - he can't consent freely because of the extreme amounts of power she has over him - and the other hold the other person *heart* which means that any consent he appears to give cannot be assumed to given freely.

If Graham didn't have the ability to consent, why was he able to leave Regina for Emma?

If Crixus didn't have the ability to consent, why did Lucretia leave him alone when he asked her to even though she thought that time was her only chance to get pregnant?

DID Graham leave, though? I thought he continued having sex with Regina and when he tried to fight it, she killed him.

Re: Graham. One, in Storybrooke he didn't remember the power she had over him. And two, he wasn't free to leave her, since she killed him immediately after he tried to, using the heart she had stolen from him.

Yes once he left she killed him, but if he had no free will, he would never have been able to leave her in the first place.

... Most people are raped have free will. Humans have free will. Many people who are raped and abused try to leave their rapists/abusers. This doesn't actually change the fact that the rapist/abusers are rapists/abusers.

But the argument for Regina being a rapist is that Graham had no free will in Storybrooke because of the curse.

The argument in Storybrooke is rape by fraud using the fact that she remembers that she once raped and enslaved him, but because of her magic he no longer does. He's not consenting to sleep with who she actually is, he's consenting to who she's physically gone inside his head and made him think she is. So rape by fraud, and as soon as he manages to reach past that and try to leave, she kills him. He was having sex with her because she deliberately created everything about his situation in order to make him do so, and the second he tried to fight back, she exercised her power over him and killed him dead.

Not a consensual relationship.

Rape by fraud? I would call that manipulation and even dubious consent, but not rape per se.

But maybe I'm missing something, since I'm not into the fandom and I'm only basing my opinion on the explanations given here.

In one world, she enslaved him by physically ripping his heart out of his chest and using it to control him by magic. It's heavily implied she used this control to rape him, since the first thing she does after taking his heart is have him taken to her chambers.

Then, she enacts a curse (over the whole kingdom, not just him), which wipes peoples memories and implants new ones designed to her specification. Only she and maybe three other people remember the real world. The rest of them are living out lives and memories Regina designed for them. Graham's new life involves being her lover.

She took away, personally, his memories of what she had done to him, in order to live a fantasy life where he was with her 'willingly'. As in, it wasn't that there was a magical accident and she took advantage of it (which would be creepy enough) but she deliberately removed the memories of her crimes from pretty much everyone in order to play with them in her personal fantasy world.

There is pretty much no way he (or anyone else) can consent under those circumstances. So, yeah, I'm calling it rape.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-04-20 02:21 (UTC) - Expand

FYI, in real life there's no such thing as "dubious consent". It's just a tag in fanfic, usually for the purpose of differentiating between someone flat-out having sex with someone who's saying "no," and having sex with someone who's, say, drunk or something.

In real life, "dubious consent" is called rape, i.e.: a lack of a no is not a yes.

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writerserenyty - 2013-04-20 06:48 (UTC) - Expand

Kind of a side note - rape by fraud is, at least where I live, more of a legal thing than anything. It basically means you lied to them about who you were on a massive scale to sleep with them on a regular basis. [Technically, it doesn't have to be an on going/have been a regular thing...but in order to have any real legal case it does.]

So, from what's been described, rape by fraud is probably the closest thing to what it actually is as far as definitions go.

But Regina's own free will has been reduced due to the book of evil evilness supplied by Rumpelstiltskin. Her actions and decisions are corrupted by evil magic which prevents her from making "good" choices. If anyone is the rapist it is Rumples, by proxy.

If you go to a party and someone has dumped roofies into the punch do you blame the person who had sex with you while you were both roofied, or do you blame the person who put the roofies in the game?

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(Anonymous) - 2013-04-20 01:53 (UTC) - Expand

Following that logic, Rumple isn't to blame for anything he's done since he became the Dark One, either. Magic is portrayed as an addiction, and both Rumple and Regina have been given and refused opportunities to give it up.

It doesn't change the fact that Regina was involved in acts of rape, and that they involved forcing herself on someone who did not want to have sex with her.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-04-22 08:54 (UTC) - Expand

By this logic, don't forget that Cora is innocent of anything she's done since she ripped out her own heart. She woulda been mother of the year otherwise.

Regina's "free will" hasn't been reduced. That's bullshit. And we've gotten to the point where she's acting against Rumple so clearly he can't be blamed for her current actions.

thank you anon. this.

I thought it was pretty clear in the flashback to the beginning episode that he she had a modicum of control over everyone's actions and Who They Were at the start, and that in Graham's case it was intensified because of the heart. Because when Storybrooke just popped into being Graham's default position was as her boy toy. And while she may not have been controlling his every move and thought, she certainly was exerting influence over him (and the whole town, but again, even moreso him).

Because Lucretia didn't want Theokoles to kill Crixus, and thus ruin her chances to ever rape him again.

Or because she had feelings for him and thought he felt the same way about her.

Even if that's true, it doesn't make her any less a rapist. It makes her a particularly pathetic rapist.

Graham was able to leave because the curse was breaking. Look, I love me some Regina, but she totally raped him. We know from FTL that she raped him there, and it's pretty safe to say that being transported to a new land where everything was as the queen wanted it to be didn't really change that lack of consent.

Graham was able to leave because the curse was breaking
This is what I think too.

If Crixus didn't have the ability to consent, why did Lucretia leave him alone when he asked her to even though she thought that time was her only chance to get pregnant?

Because one of the interesting things about Lucretia was her ability to fool herself into thinking she was actually in a relationship with Crixus. She was a very shrewd, intelligent, get-things-done kind of character but she had a MASSIVE blind spot about her own behavior with Crixus and either genuinely didn't see, or pretended not to see, that he was not a willing OR enthusiastic partner in her affair with him. But his attitude when she wasn't around, everything he said, pointed to the fact that he loathed her, and the only reason he had sex with her was because he felt he had to - to save his own life and protect his status in the ludus.

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