[ SECRET POST #2301 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2301 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

By "companions" do you mean River Song, or all companions?

Because the other companions usually have a point when they tell him to get it together -- good intentions aren't sufficient, and being smacked around a bit is good for him. Hell he likes it when people remind him to be careful.

Which is not the same as telling him that the fact that people got scared of him because the villains spread propaganda about him because they were pissed about having their plans spoiled by him is totally his fault and that he shouldn't have done any of that stuff to piss people off, and talking about him behind his back like he's a spoiled five-year-old who needs to be coddled and manipulated.

[fauxkaren]

lol. The accuracy of this comment is hilarious. Especially that last paragraph. omg.

[fenm]

Yeah, the whole, "People are scared of you because they tried to take over (or, hell, DESTROY) the world/galaxy/universe and you stopped them" is like... Well, what the fuck do you want him to do, lady? LET THEM? Fine, let's have the Doctor sit back and let the goddamn Daleks take over the universe, will that shut you up? Oh, no, horrible people are afraid of the Doctor! Why is that a bad thing, again? Why is that something he should be ashamed of and criticized for? Jesus.

[sugar_spun]

I think there's some obvious truth to the fact that the Doctor goes overboard controlling the lives and fates of entire species--but I think the issue is that River's lectures are too meta. They're from a fan's POV; a fan who gets uncomfortable with the level of godmode-ing that the Doctor exacts often enough, but yet within the context of the series is meant to come off as just and fair. So we get a lecture about how he's wrong, yet the tone of the show doesn't regard him as having been wrong in the first place. The show is about an immortal alien saving the universe constantly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, in order to get him to change his ways properly, it would have been much better if he'd gone "you know, that thing that happened when everyone tossed me into the Pandorica was Really Not Good. I should probably do something about my reputation so it doesn't happen again." And maybe have him spread rumors throughout time and space that he's actually just an eccentric goofball who's...like...the Whoniverse version of Oz, to undermine his scary rep.

Instead we get River...basically telling him how horrible it is that his enemies are afraid of him because he's capable of stopping them from killing innocent people. Which is justified by a plot to kill him that could have been carried out by basically anyone with a gun. Which he fixes by...um...going around changing timelines and erasing himself from history and from people's memories. Because that's totally being less controlling *facepalm*

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I am suddenly seeing this as a sign of just how screwed up River is. After all, she did get raised to be a Laser-guided Tykebomb (look it up on TV Tropes), directed at the Doctor.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. The answer to which is...just stop writing godmodes. No one's going to complain if it seems like there was this one period where he needed to god-mode a lot, but he doesn't anymore. No one complained when all the death and misery of Five's era just kinda stopped happening. And no one complained when all the earth invasions of Three's era just kinda stopped happening. And it's not because audiences were easier to please back then, it's because it's genuinely not a big deal. Patterns like that happen IRL all the time. Look at this past fucking week.

Or if you must, just write an episode demonstrating that species' can take care of themselves and don't need him to do everything.

But Moffat kind of seemed to pretend/retcon that the Doctor constantly does unnecessarily OTT stuff like in A Good Man Goes To War which...he really doesn't. He's always been very much reactive to danger/injustice that was already occurring.

[(Anonymous)]

and talking about him behind his back like he's a spoiled five-year-old who needs to be coddled and manipulated.

You know, I don't mind River being hard on him with the blame, because he's got a lot of power and should be held accountable for the consequences of his actions. The way she does it is a bit wtf, but I chalk it up to clunky writing and the fact Moffat lacks the attention span to sit still and explore issues deeply.

But this? I cannot fucking abide this. Can. Not. Abide. It. Nope. Nada. Uh uh. Not even a little. It is the actual last thing he needs. It is the actual worst thing for his attitude and his ego. And it has an actual in-universe regressive effect on his behavior. Give me Donna's constant straight-to-his-face bitching and snarking and teasing and ragging and needling any day. Even if it ultimately wasn't enough to help with the big things because RTD is a dick who refused to let character arcs progress naturally, it helped so many little things. And those are just as important. And it's those little things that have failed all over the damn place in season 6 and 7. Give it me. Any. Goddamn. Day.

[(Anonymous)]

Give me Donna's constant straight-to-his-face bitching and snarking and teasing and ragging and needling any day

Don't forget the slapping.

[rivulet027]

Yes to your points about Donna!

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, River also does tease him to his face. But that just makes her manipulative long-suffering indulgent behavior even stupider. So...she thinks he can't handle little things like seeing people age and needs to be indulged and shielded from reality, but she makes fun of him openly for other stuff? That just makes her look like she doesn't have any respect for him or trust in his basic intelligence at all, but likes to take potshots at him anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh ew, I never thought about it like that :\ Too preoccupied with the bad writing to comprehend the implications.

[(Anonymous)]

Because it's okay to manipulate five-year-olds, right? I forgot that children aren't people and that it's okay to act like utter psychopaths towards them.

[(Anonymous)]

I meant "manipulate" in the "awwww, is the widdle baby upset? Is the widdle baby gonna cry if he sees me age? It's okay honey, I'll be sure to not let you see in order to keep you calm, now, look at the shiny thing over there!"

I wasn't referring to The Wedding *shudder* that's a rather different matter.