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⌈ Secret Post #2328 ⌋

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Comments

[silverau]

I usually say "lady" as a female equivalent to "guy", for women who are older than me. I kind of get how it sounds patronizing, though. I sometimes associate the word "ladies" with teachers talking to students since that's when I hear it most often, so I get why some people wouldn't like being addressed that way.

I'm not offended by "females", though. Where I'm from that's a pretty typical word to use to refer to girls and women... I guess it's just a dialect thing... if people are used to only hearing it when talking about animals, I guess that's why they don't like being called that.

[(Anonymous)]

By "where I'm from" do you mean another planet? I've never heard of a dialect where "females" was a standard word for human women.

[(Anonymous)]

By "another planet" they mean "a different culture". No need to be a jerk about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I was under the impression that they meant an English-speaking one, or else the weird connotations the English word "female" has could possibly make its counterpart in another language less creepy and not really applicable here.

[(Anonymous)]

I live in an oddly cross cultural city in the USA and I hear females used for women often, but I hear ladies just as often.

I, however, try not to get my panties in a bunch over a word and look at the context of the person saying it. I have certainly heard both used in respectful ways and in disrespectful ways.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting. I never hear women called "females" as a noun outside of cops, forensic pathologists, and neckbeards who are too afraid of women to acknowledge that they're people. I guess I am glad there are places where it doesn't have that connotation.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean the rest of the english speaking world may commonly use a word you don't? Because we never use the word "neckbeard" but for some reason I'm still able to comprehend that you may be from a backwater place that does.

[(Anonymous)]

"Backwater place"? Are you... new to the internet, or...?

[(Anonymous)]

Also I like how you berated someone for not being tolerant about other places calling women "females" and then you referred to people who use a different word you don't as being "backwater".

[lyndis]

Even then where I'm from, it's a "lady cop" so...hm.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they meant more like how police reports and communication work - 'suspect is female, white, apr. 5'6" - may be armed' kind of thing?

[(Anonymous)]

Have you been everywhere that speaks English? No? Then maybe consider you don't know everything about how everyone who speaks English uses the language.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me rephrase that, then: I think that outside of certain situations like in a criminology context, calling human women "females" all while calling men "men", "guys", "dudes", and other specifically human nouns is weird, full stop.

[ill_omened]

You don't tend to see one without the other.

And what about the cultures and individuals around those specific contexts who get into the habit - the police example was a pretty good one.

[silverau]

Okay... that was really rude. Just because you've never heard of the dialect doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I apologize for my rudeness. I also worded that wrongly. I don't doubt your dialect exists, it's just that "female" will always sound dehumanizing to me, and no culture is free from the tendency to do that to women. I think of it the same way regardless of dialect. Jane Austen couldn't sell me on that shit. Sorry.

[silverau]

I understand how you feel. Just explaining why I don't see it that way. It's not even really a part of my personal dialect - I don't often say it myself, but I also don't feel dehumanized when I'm hanging out with a group of girls and a male friend calls out "Hey, females!" to get our attention. If other people are used to only hearing the word "females" to refer to animals - or to refer to girls/women in contexts that are blatantly dehumanizing (like oh-so-funny "jokes" along the lines of "Scientists will never understand this strange and mysterious female species"), I get why they would.

I think the issue is that there's no good word that refers to girls and women casually. "Guy" and "dude" and "bro" are varying levels of masculine, "woman" sounds too formal and doesn't work if you're talking about teenagers or mixed-age groups, "chicks" and "gals" are old slang... "bitch" is sometimes used in a reclaimed way by girls to refer to friends but in most cases is still offensive, "girl" is infantilizing when used on anyone over 20... so people compromise with words like "female" or "lady." It's not necessary to call boys "males" or "gentlemen" because they can just be called "guys."

I wish words like "dude" or "guy" would just hurry up and evolve to be gender-neutral so it wouldn't be an issue. 'xD

[(Anonymous)]

I'm doing my part to try and make 'dude' a gender-neutral term, but some ladies have been (understandably) resistant to being referred to as such. Maybe someday...

[silverau]

Yeah, I'm conflicted about that word myself. I don't mind being called that myself, but I tend to say "gurl" when most people would say "dude" if I'm talking to a girl. Then again, the word seems to be going out of fashion anyway, being replaced with "bro", and words cannot explain the intensity with which I hate the word "bro." So maybe I should just say "dude" as much as possible to preserve it. 'xD

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's a good point too. There aren't as many good casual words for women as there are for men... I too use "dude" as a gender-neutral word for that reason.

Well, sorry I kind of acted like a bigot whilst complaining about bigotry!

[silverau]

I'm confused about how many anons are in this subthread...

Anyway, apology accepted. 'xD It's okay; I get where you were coming from now.

[(Anonymous)]

As a note, though, if you refer to both men and women by the clinical nouns with equal frequency, I don't have a problem with it. I thought it would have been mentioned by now if it did since that moves the goalposts pretty profoundly but I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions.

[(Anonymous)]

ESL here and "female" sounds extremely childish to me.
It's partially the influence of my mother tongue: in my language, when we were in kindergarten, we used to say "games for males" and "games for females" and things like that.