[ SECRET POST #2335 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2335 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 095 secrets from Secret Submission Post #334.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dreemyweird]

In all honesty, YKINMK applies to pretty much any fandom preference.

[writerserenyty]

Pretty much this; it's become kind of a general term at this point.

[dreemyweird]

Yeah, and I didn't even mean the term itself, rather the general idea.

[(Anonymous)]

YKINMK is pretty much enabling of things like rape and pedophilia and people who engage in it disgust me.

[dreemyweird]

Rape and paedophilia in fiction=/=real rape and paedophilia. It is pretty much like saying "detective novels enable murder, and people who engage in it disgust me".

Even if you are disgusted by the pleasure they derive from it, not by the mere fact that somebody writes these things, so what? Somebody disgusts you; what does it mean? What consequences should it have? There are always going to be people whom you find disgusting for this or other reason, there's no fixing this (and nor should there be, I daresay).

[(Anonymous)]

Depiction of rape and pedophilia = condonement. It contributes to an overriding culture that says it's okay. People who get off on that stuff are disgusting and should be put into prison.

[dreemyweird]

Sorry, I think you're a troll. Putting people into prison for reading certain kinds of fiction is a thousand times worse than producing narratives of any degree of repulsing.

[(Anonymous)]

Typical F!S, anyone who has an "extreme" opinion is a troll. I think you're the troll, for wasting my time on what could have been a fruitful debate.

[dreemyweird]

Well, you're partly right, normally I don't like the tendency to call everyone who disagrees with f!sers "a troll". This is frustrating.

In this case, however, I see a person whose statements are harsh, promote the ultimate form of Thought Police-like systems (not even simply "put everyone who writes/reads rape and paedophilia into prison", but "put everyone who gets off to this into prison"), who states that there's an "overriding culture that says that [rape and paedophilia] are okay", and who displays poor understanding of the way fiction works.

True, you may not be a troll, but do you really want to argue with me in a reasonable and level-headed way? Hypothetically I wouldn't even mind. One of the difficulties, however, is that we appear to have very different moral grounds, and, since morality is a highly subjective and often irrational thing, I am unsure if we would be able to find a point from which we could start the discussion.

[(Anonymous)]

Your morality is "it's okay to get off to rape and pedophilia if it's fiction. If you disagree, it's because you don't understand fiction."

And you cry "Thought Police!" and deny the existence of rape culture. Damn, you're good, you got me there.

[dreemyweird]

No, that's not what I am saying. In fact, my previous comment did not mention the exact aspect of my position I was referring to, but my point is that depicting rape=/=codonement, and yes, I think that you understand the mechanics of literature poorly if you disagree with this.

It would've been slightly more valid if you said "sympathetic depiction of rape=codonement", and even in this case... well, all right, we could argue about this case, if you want.

I did not deny the existence of rape culture, I simply doubt that it's overriding.

And there's a big difference between proposing to put people into prison for reading things and thinking that somebody understands something the wrong way. Seriously, are you comparing the situations?

[dethtoll]

forget it dreemy it's anontown

[celestinenox]

Depends on the depiction.

Is it portrayed as a valid form of love and caring? Or is it portrayed as something terrible that damages the victim?

If people could not explore the topic in fiction, that would be a denial of rape culture, in that it would be silencing a form of speaking out about the subject. Please be a little less general in your statements of what equals condoning rape and pedophilia.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, then off to the death row with all those sick fucks who watch movies like Saw and Hostel - clearly, they are all potential torturers and serial killers or condone the actions of those who are. All them hundreds of thousands of'em!

OH GOD

[tyger66]

This again? Don't we have this argument at least once a week?

I don't personally enjoy rape or pedophilia in fanfic, but I don't think that those who read/write it are ACTUAL rapists and pedophiles.

Re: OH GOD

[dreemyweird]

...do we have this argument at least once a week? Wow, I thought f!s was slightly more adequate.

Re: OH GOD

[tyger66]

I was exaggerating a bit.

But this argument certainly does come up with (slightly disturbing) regularity, especially when there's a secret that could possibly be used as a leaping-off point.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeeeeeaaah I'm a rabid feminist, with rape fantasies, I've had from a young age. IRL I've ~attacked men who've intruded into my personal space. I'm a gentle geek person in a LTR with a woman and our baby. Sexually I'm a sadomasochist. Politically I've actively fought against rape culture and sexual violence. Consent is EVERYTHING. There is NO cognitive dissonance in my brain, but I am SICK of ignorant assumptions like yours yada yada.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL


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