[ SECRET POST #2343 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2343 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

It is pretty racist though.

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[(Anonymous)]

It's not, though.

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[(Anonymous)]

You can keep telling yourself that, but it's not going to stop people from calling you out.

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[(Anonymous)]

They're still going to be wrong, though. You can be right or wrong when you're calling someone out. Being in the position of calling someone out doesn't automatically mean you're right.

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't know how you can tell a person their experience is wrong if they grew up with a name like his and are damned sick of people mangling it or outright mocking them for it because "Sorry, ethnic kid, it sounds like this other hilarious thing".

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[(Anonymous)]

OP. I got called all kinds of funny things because of my last name. It is very uncommon though I don't think it all that difficult to pronounce (of course everyoneeee pronounces it wrong the first time). My teachers and such would make silly jokes about it. Did I think they were being racist/mysoginst/hateful? Not really. I just think they saw my goofy name and thought it was sort of funny.

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[chardmonster]

Huh. I didn't know being ethnic means you get shielded from common social experiences because they suddenly become racist.

BRB, reporting kids I went to elementary school with for making fun of my then speech impediment. Apparently it was an accent instead and they are horrible people.

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[(Anonymous)]

It seems like it's in the same family of mockery as the innumerable variations on 'Cumberbatch'. Saying it about your coworkers, neighbors, or classmates: not cool. Saying it about a public figure, not to them: meh.

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[(Anonymous)]

Shyamalan's ethnic identity isn't erased by his status, so it still stands out quite a bit.

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[(Anonymous)]

But the mockery isn't about his ethnic identity. It comes from the fact that his name sounds silly.

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[(Anonymous)]

His name is part of his ethnic identity. And to be honest, can you really explain why you think it's so funny, other than the fact that it sounds foreign to you? Shamalamadingdong is silly, Shyamalan... is just an Indian name.

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[(Anonymous)]

I make fun of the word dongle and hodgepodge. They sound funny. Oh nooooooo.

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[(Anonymous)]

You're missing the point in a big, big way. First ask yourself... does it sound funny to other Indian people, or does it just sound funny to people from a non-Indian culture? The answer lies within.

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[(Anonymous)]

Do you know if it sounds funny to other Indians? It might.

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[(Anonymous)]

It's not really. Childish? Yes. Racist? No. OP probably does the same thing to Benedict Cumberbatch's name. You see an unusual name and if you are immature on any level, you can't help but make fun of it.

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[(Anonymous)]

No, it's really not the same thing. Personally, I find it tasteless to mock Cumberbatch's name as well, but his is legitimately an odd-sounding name in the English language. People who are used to English naming conventions understand that it is unusual. Whereas with most ethnic names that get mocked, it only happens because they are foreign. The ethnic issue is the driving factor: they could be perfectly ordinary "Jones" and "Smith" in their native languages but they're funny to you anyway because they are foreign.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh god.

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[(Anonymous)]

And if they want to make fun of my name because it sounds ridiculous to them, that's fine.

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[(Anonymous)]

Your inability to accept that just because an experience is fine for you doesn't mean that it is for others is exactly why you're having such a hard time dealing with being called out.

And maybe you really were attacked. I know how extreme people can get on the Internet, and that's not right. But if that's the case, you're letting their negativity overwhelm the issue and you're not even really engaging with me right now. I have not attacked you, so I hope you don't feel that way.

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[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I'm not the OP of this thread, and I already knew that particular bit of wordplay will bother some people, so I don't use it.

It just offends my sense of order and consistency that something can be either funny or offensive depending on the ethnicity of who it's referring to. I recognize that this is often considered to be the case and adjust my behavior accordingly, but it grates like nails on a chalkboard. It should be either always funny or always offensive.

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[(Anonymous)]

Do white people have some kind of special power where their feelings can't be hurt? Because this would only effect someone on an individual basis. Saying Shamalamadingdong does NOTHING negative or positive towards Indian Americans. Does it effect him on an individual basis? No a comment on the Internet does not.

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[(Anonymous)]

Firstly, I already acknowledged that mocking Cumberbatch is itself tasteless. But it is not racially-driven.

How can you presume to speak for Indian Americans as whole, though? How can you be sure no person of Indian descent has ever witnessed the mockery of Shyamalan and not been hurt, relating it to their personal experience with racial humor? Making someone feel bad about their ethnic identity counts as harm.

And I would even argue that it does affect Shyamalan, or at least his public image. Condoning the mockery turns him into an acceptable target for racial mockery, in place of accurate criticism of his work.

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[(Anonymous)]

Saying Shamalamadingdong does NOTHING negative or positive towards Indian Americans.

But it does. Mocking someone's culture sets them apart from you. It makes it easier for others to discount and distance themselves from that culture, too because teeheehee isn't it so weird and hilarious?

Why would anyone want to do that?

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[(Anonymous)]

And things like this are the reason why I tend to ignore the SJ crowd even when they might have a point. Just because something involves an ethnic subgroup, it doesn't make it automatically racist.

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[(Anonymous)]

I have neither been rude nor antagonistic in my arguments. You are welcome to engage my point if you acknowledge it, instead of ignoring me. I promise I will be civil.