[ SECRET POST #2356 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2356 ⌋

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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
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Comments

[sootyowl]

Isn't Kairi and Sora already canon? /confused.

Plus, even if it is endgame, I am sure Sora and Riku will have hoyay up the wazoo in KH4. The other games didn't disappoint if fanfic and fanvids tell me anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Only if you're the kind of person to assume that guys and girls can't just be friends.

I'm sorry, but a casual "Hey Kairi, you look different," compared to sobbing prostration at Riku's feet? Yeah, okay. Sora totes loves Kairi more than Riku.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh lord. Here we go with the age old fandom logic. How can people not put two and two together that Sora had no clue if his best friend since childhood was even alive during the time that he was missing?

Remember Riku was locked in the realm of darkness with King Mickey and surrounded by three humongous Heartless. Not to mention Sora was searching the entire universe for him for even the slightest clue? Sora gets credit for not losing his mind, I think losing his heart the first go around was enough for him.

da

[(Anonymous)]

probably because if riku was a girl, people would assume that everything was a full on love triangle with both of the other dots connecting firmly back to sora, and would take a sobbing prostration at "her" feet as both relief and an expression/product of sora's love

add in the hoyay, and that's why people see that as being wrapped up in romantic chemistry as much as friendship

i am a bitter, bitter queer and i know that sora will never be with riku, but as someone who doesn't default to boy + girl = first love & true love, it's hard for me to untangle their chemistry when sora's reactions to riku never fail to be powerful, while his relationship with kairi seems driven far more mechanically with less chemistry and development

but that's just my all too subjective take on it

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

If Riku was a girl, people would have been banging down SE's door to make Riku/Kairi the outcome of the love triangle that actually is in the canon.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

if the first game had launched with Riku as a girl even just a few years ago, some people might be liable to do that, but as it is there probably would have just been even more character bashing baggage from way back when

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Sora knew Kairi wasn't dead, he THOUGHT Riku was dead. And sorry, but Sora's -Strongest memory is of Kairi-, not Riku. If Sora was so in ~love~ with Riku, than Xion would have looked like Riku, not Kairi.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's great, but that's not really my point.

I'm not saying that Sora doesn't canonically feel anything for Kairi, or that those feelings aren't meant to be strong. KH, as most mainstream media tends to be, is written with heteronormative norms firmly intact. To the writers, as with most writers, I'm sure there's no doubt nothing more than friendship exists between the two male friends to the point where it's not even a question.

What I am saying is that Sora's feelings for Kairi feel like they rest heavily on those norms I mentioned, and less on actual on-screen build-up. I don't mean to demean whatever meaning and happiness you take from it, but to me this tends to undermine the chemistry Sora has with Kairi because there isn't really much narrative energy behind it.

Riku's interactions with Sora on the other hand are basically a huge point for the first game, where Kairi spends most of her time as a comatose damsel in distress. Hence the comparison I made above in an attempt to explain what I and other people see between Riku and Sora, and why we might interpret that scene and the depth and nature of his emotions the way we do.

So yeah, the gaming industry (and 99% of everything squeenix has ever done and will do) does indeed cater to you and validates your het ship above everything else. Congrats, it's a party.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Japan's idea of friendship is far different than the west's. If you look at it with a more cultural perspective, it doesn't become anything special. Riku and Sora are nothing more but characters that show their creator's intent. Enix didn't intend for this to be homosexual context, there for it isn't. It's fine to see it in a fanon sort of way, but it's not actually there.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh don't pull that cultural relativism bullshit on me.

Anyway, it's either clear that you didn't actually read my comment (I don't blame you, it was long and boring), or I was hopelessly unclear. I don't particularly care which, but I just hope you're not trolling. Because if you are, that's a really petty ax to grind.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, I like Sora x Riku as much as the next fangirl but SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Seriously, canonically there is nothing but friendship between them. No matter how hard you try to make it into something else, it will never happen.

It's delusional people like you that give the rest of us a bad name -_-

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I'm delusional. That's why I've written paragraphs admitting that there's nothing meant to be romantic between sora/riku in canon and never will be, and why I admitted that canonically Sora and Kairi are clearly meant to have strong feelings for each other.

This isn't some essay about a shipping grudge. It's an explanation of why I at least continue to point to that moment as part of why I and other fans I've known feel that it can be interpreted as the culmination of a lot of different emotions between Sora and Riku, and why some of us don't feel that the writing successfully creates the same emotional charge between Sora and Kairi.

To clarify, I wasn't the anon who originally replied to sootyowl. My reply to the other anon wasn't even meant to contradict them, so much as explain why people might feel that way about Sora's reaction to Riku vs. what we get on-screen of him with Kairi.

Apparently I've failed in that.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

I've written paragraphs admitting

*That's why I've been admitting

Way to be melodramatic, self.

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[otakugal15]

Is this Curseangel in disguise? Cause that argument up there sounds SO MUCH like her Kirk/Spock rants. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

not YOU anon, just questioning the OTHER anon who is so hell bent on convincing people that Riku/Sora is canon.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Really, the only thing I'm hellbent on is explaining myself.

I wasn't the anon who made the assertion that Sora sobbing at Riku's feet was an objective, canon sign that he loved Riku more than Kairi (or that he loved Riku at all). I merely regretfully butted in.

Anyway, I re-read my second post and I can see now where it would seem like I was trying to argue with canon. That was definitely not my intent.

From the start of my interjection, I had just meant to talk about why a lot of people do find Sora's friendship with Riku more compelling than what he has in-game with Kairi, and how certain things about the canon do _subjectively_ contribute to it, along with why I think it's so common for people to still talk about the reunion scene like it's some romantic lock-in for Riku's "good end" or something. It was never meant to prove or even imply the ship was actually canon in any sense of the word. Just that there's a lot you can reasonably draw from canon for it, without desperate misinterpretation and misunderstanding--even though some people get carried away.

It's all pretty stupid, I realize. But it's why I got defensive when the other anon came along and acted like I was saying "NO, SORA AND RIKU ARE CANON, THE BEACH SCENE IS PROOF, XION LIED!" because I really don't think anything I said the first time around came close to implying anything like that.

Well, whatever. Sorry for the miscommunication, I guess. Even on anon my mind likes to tie itself in knots, so I know I end up submitting things before I should. I don't intend to drag this out further in any case.

[(Anonymous)]

When a guy fantasizes about dancing with a girl I will think he maybe wants to be more than friends. See KH2. Also: Sora knew Kairi was back on Destiny Islands and okay to his knowledge. Riku had been kind of LOL TRAPPED IN REALM OF DARKNESS WITH ALL THE HEARTLESS. That he reacts more strongly to Riku doesn't mean he loves Kairi less. It's pretty natural considering he cares about both of them but Kairi had been okay and Riku had been in a horrible situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention Kairi is the link that brings back all of Sora's memories in CoM. There's also the fact that Kairi is Sora's strongest/most important memory, and thus his clone looks like her instead of himself. He also wanted to give Kairi the fruit that symbolized love. Let's also not forget that he -stabs- himself in the heart just to free her.

People read way too much into Riku/Sora, just like they did with Axel/Roxas. I'm going to be so amused when the final game has Sora and Kairi together.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU.

I'm not against Riku/Sora, but people have some serious delusions about that pairing.

I'm an asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah Sora/Riku was my first KH ship and I still love it, but the way some Sora/Riku fans act at times(I saw a post on a LJ S/R come where someone claimed it was discrimination when S/R wasn't the top search result of Sora parings in a search engine...) I'm going to be feeling a little bit of schadenfreude when it never becomes canon.