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[(Anonymous)]

Mental illness is not something you choose to get into, whereas getting into drugs is a choice.

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[(Anonymous)]

What about people who get into drugs because they have a mental illness?

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[poisonenvy]

Addiction is a mental illness, just FYI.

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[(Anonymous)]

But without starting to consume an addicting substance is impossible to get addicted.

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[(Anonymous)]

So anyone who has ever consumed any addictive substance deserves to die?

I'm just trying to be clear here on what you're saying. Because you think that addicts deserve to die, and you're also arguing that taking an addictive substance is morally the same as being addicted, because anyone who takes an addictive substance does so with the knowledge that they could become addicted.

So clearly, this would lead to the conclusion that anyone who's ever done hard drugs, or drank any alcohol, or smoked a cigarette, or had a cup of coffee deserves to die, because those are all addictive things, and they could have become addicts, and someone who makes a choice that could lead them to become an addict is morally the same as an addict, and addicts deserve death.

So just to be clear here, this is what you think, right?

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[poisonenvy]

Also, heaven forbid someone try out gambling or having sex which are some pretty common, not substance related addictions.

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[(Anonymous)]

Compulsive behaviors and addictions to chemical substances are not the same thing and trying to compare one to another is just stupid.

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[poisonenvy]

According to the DSM, pathological gambling is considered an addictive disorder.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, is an addiction, but it's still not the same as a substances that causes a physical need for it.

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[(Anonymous)]

Gambling, sex, and risky behavior lead to an alteration in brain chemistry. These addicts are hooked on pleasurable chemicals their brain releases and in some cases become dependent on risky activities to get ANY feelings of pleasure. How is this not a physical need?

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[elephantinegrace]

Apparently, people aren't allowed to make bad decisions without it making them bad people, forever.

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[(Anonymous)]

STRAWMAN ARGUMENT!

Not everyone in this thread are saying that addiction means that someone is a horrible person who deserves to die. They're saying that they are not blameless in their addiction.

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[(Anonymous)]

No, no at all.
They do deserve help and support, but they shouldn't be told "Oh, it's ok. That's an illness so it's not your fault at all".
Unless they were forced to start, they are the only responsible for their own actions and although their situations should be taken into account, that doesn't make them completely responsibility free for their actions.

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[(Anonymous)]

Then stop talking bullshit about how people who die don't deserve sympathy or compassion if they were addicts. Thanks in advance.

Yes, I agree that they made mistakes, but they're still human beings, and it is still an illness. And human beings, even ones who make mistakes, deserve help, support, understanding, and sympathy. Not being told that it's wrong to feel sympathy for them if they die.

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[(Anonymous)]

And I never said anything like that, so please start reading the comments you're answering to before accusing someone of something they didn't say. Thanks in advance.

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[(Anonymous)]

NOBODY FUCKING SAID ADDICTS DESERVE TO DIE, STOP STRAWMANNING, YOU UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE MORON. All that was said was that addiction is PREVENTABLE, in a way other mental disorders are NOT, because the first step to addiction, i.e. beginning use of the addictive substance, IS A CHOICE MADE OF FREE WILL.

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[(Anonymous)]

Didn't OP say that they don't have any sympathy for the person? Implying they do have sympathy for none-drug related death? Therefore they are literally saying that X deserves their death more than Y does?

Like that anon who says men deserve rape more than women? They're always coming in with "I didn't say they deserve it, just that they deserve but MORE than women." which is moronic logic.

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[(Anonymous)]

Not everyone is the OP.

This conversation has moved WAY beyond just discussing the OP's original point or Cory's death. We're now talking about addiction in general.

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[diet_poison]

Which, of course, was inevitable. May or may not have been OP's intention, but it was pretty much inevitable.

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[(Anonymous)]

We actually do not know addiction is preventable.

yes, addiction to hard drugs is preventable.

But, there is such a thing and "addictive personalities". So let's say he never got his hands on hard drugs. He might have just had an innocent drink and became an addict - while me, who does not have that genetic make-up, can get plastered a a party (I generally choose not to, but I could) without getting addicted.

So basically, had he never taken drugs, he might still have ended up an alcoholic and died similarly anyway....

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[diet_poison]

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[(Anonymous)]

*Not* the same way schizophrenia is.

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[poisonenvy]

Except when I checked myself into the psyche ward and they asked if any of my family suffered from mental illness, alcoholism did count, and there's a direct link between genetics and addiction.

"Whoops, you tried coke once, you totally deserve whatever happens to you now. Lololololol."

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[(Anonymous)]

The fact that alcoholism counted on the family history you filled out doesn't mean that alcoholism and schizophrenia are the same type of mental illness.

And fuck off, I didn't say that addicts deserve whatever happens to them.

I just don't think that it's *honest* to act like addiction isn't preventable the same way schizophrenia isn't preventable.

Does that mean that addicts shouldn't be offered all the support in getting clean we can offer them? Or course not. The same way I feel that people who get hurt ridding motorcycles without helmets should receive medical care.

Doesn't mean that the initial decision wasn't their's or that it wasn't a poor decision.

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[diet_poison]

I'm not going to say a 13yo has complete mental and psychological agency though.