[ SECRET POST #2406 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2406 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

For me personally, I have a hard time thinking that a) those characters look enough like the opposite sex to have been born the opposite sex without transitioning and b) that those characters actually found the occasion, money, and time to transition fully given their backstories. Most fandoms I'm in don't put the trans* label on financially privileged characters.

There are exceptions for this, of course. I could see Tony Stark as trans*, for example, whereas I couldn't see the same for any of the remaining Avengers.

[(Anonymous)]

but you don't have to look like the sex you were designated as at birth (whatever the hell that means) to be trans*

some people of various sexes look more like (cis) men, and some people of various sexes look more like (cis) women

i'm a cis woman who is the spitting image of my cis dad when he was my age

[(Anonymous)]

da

yeah I've known some trans* people who were either able to pass before going through hormones/surgery, or who weren't financially privileged but still worked really hard and saved to be able to transition

[(Anonymous)]

There are exceptions, but the characters I'm speaking of are clearly not the exception? I'm sure I'm not explaining myself correctly, but with the exception of people who are more androgynous in appearance, most people can easily identify born-female vs born-male people. The characters fandom latches onto as trans* characters are people who are clearly not androgynous and just as clearly wouldn't have been able to transition due to the circumstances of their backstory.

As much as you look like your dad, I'm pretty sure you don't have full-face five o'clock shadow, a prominent Adam's apple, absolutely no tits, etc., etc. To use another Avengers example, I've read a story where Bruce Banner (as played by Mark Ruffalo) was FTM trans*. And I'm sorry, but given his life and his appearance, I just don't buy it.

[(Anonymous)]

most people can easily identify born-female vs born-male people

I can't.

[(Anonymous)]

I bet you can do it better than you think.

[(Anonymous)]

That's possibly, because I think I'm terrible at it. But I bet I can't do it as well as you think.

[(Anonymous)]

I bet you think that you can't do it as well as they think but that what they think is not as good as you think it might be, and what you think you can't do might be what you can do, but you think yourself into not doing it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA here but I'm a cis female with a full-face five o'clock shadow maybe you should stop with the generalizations.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I'm just going to say it then.

You are the exception. The vast majority of women do not have a full-face five o'clock shadow. When we see a full-face five o'clock shadow, there is more than enough basis to assume that person is male, not female.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you get to decide what it is to be male or female? Why is someone with a five o'clock shadow most likely male to you? Why can't that someone be female? Why do you have to make assumptions based on the categories that you're most comfortable with?

You don't know how that other person identifies. Hell, for all you know, that other person might not identify with the gender binary at all. It's up to them to make that call, not you.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you get to decide what it is to be male or female? Why is someone with a five o'clock shadow most likely male to you? Why can't that someone be female?

Is this how insane people sound when they talk?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure. I wasn't aware that people sounded insane when they spoke.

[(Anonymous)]

WOW. This is what cissexism sounds like, ladies, gentlemen and others.

[(Anonymous)]

no. that is what someone who understands biology sounds like. they aren't trying to be a dick. but a 5 o'clock shadow is a result of higher levels of testosterone, which is generally associated with males.

anybody who this does not apply to is the exception, not the rule.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Look, there's a vast difference between making a completely rational assumption or guess based on available evidence, personal experience and statistical probability, until corrected, and trying to dictate that someone must conform to one's assumption.

The other anon is correct, your case is highly unusual, and anon's assumption will likely hold true for the vast majority of people anon meets in their lifetime. Generalizations that are firmly grounded in fact are not evil, as long as they are not held to be absolutes and used to try to force people to conform or to discriminate against them if they don't.

[(Anonymous)]

... because someone with a five o'clock shadow is *most likely* a man because most people with five o'clock shadows are men.

That doesn't mean that they *can't* be a woman, but it's less likely.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay well why can't a small cast of characters also be exceptions is it really that hard to imagine that five exceptions would all be friends with each other on some TV show? Don't read fic you don't like but just because you can't imagine something doesn't make it impossible.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Sorry, I fucked up my HTML, I didn't intend to sound like I was talking to you in a weird snake voice.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god I love you forever and ever. I can't stop laughing.

Brilliant recovery.