[ SECRET POST #2408 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2408 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #344.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[pts]

That's the whole point -- if I post something that's intended for a certain audience (something about a particular ship, or a particular piece of meta), someone can reblog it and say something really nasty, and then someone reblogs THAT and pretty soon the discussion's gone entirely off the rails in a way that probably wouldn't happened if I'd posted the same thing to a ship comm or journal on LJ or DW.

And this doesn't even touch on the ways people can reblog your text and edit it, making it look like you said something you didn't actually say.

Tumblr lets you block individual users, but this only stop you from being notified about their activity. Tumblr savior gives you some filtering of what you see, but that's not actually the problem--the problem is that Tumblr is a vast flat expanse with no threaded discussion and no community management tools. Indeed, there's no sane way to conduct any discussion of any length at all.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

That's the whole point -- if I post something that's intended for a certain audience (something about a particular ship, or a particular piece of meta), someone can reblog it and say something really nasty, and then someone reblogs THAT and pretty soon the discussion's gone entirely off the rails in a way that probably wouldn't happened if I'd posted the same thing to a ship comm or journal on LJ or DW.

Except that it did happen all the time on LJ with people taking their disagreements to their own followers or snark communities. There are entire communities on LJ devoted to nastiness, and fan communities that routinely got nasty over differences of interpretation.

I've seen pissing matches jump platforms and domain names. Just today, I skimmed one that's spread across two different blogs. I think it's a problem that goes all the way back to listserv and usenet. That's not going to stop unless you break the internet by blocking copy and paste. That's not a limitation of the social media platform, it's an asshole problem.

Indeed, there's no sane way to conduct any discussion of any length at all.

Then don't use tumblr for that, there are often plenty of alternative ways to build a discussion.

[(Anonymous)]

Then don't use tumblr for that, there are often plenty of alternative ways to build a discussion.

Like what? As far as I've seen, tumblr users don't move to other platforms when they try to tell each other something, and following conversations on tumblr is a fucking nightmare.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I don't have a problem opening the notes for a post. But if I want to discuss books, I'll go to goodreads. If I want to discuss games, I'll go to mefightclub. Tumblr does exactly what I need for it to do which is follow brilliant people who post links to whatever interesting stuff is current for them today.

Or just use LJ or DW and try to recruit quality over quantity.

[blackmare]

When I open notes on a post, I may have to scroll back through five pages of reblogs-without-comment to find one or two lines of actual response. And then, once I've seen those, if I want to go back through the next five pages of notes, there's no way to do it without having to start all over again, and no way to know if I'll even find any more responses, because Tumblr notes can't sort simple reblogs from reblogs with additions.

I'm sometimes willing to try it, but it's a hell of a lot of work.

[pts]

I see your point regarding the ubiquity of assholery, but I don't agree that it's completely platform-agnostic, if that makes any sense. If I make a post about something on my LJ, I can control the scope of the discussion in the comments very easily. Same for moderators on comms. Sure, copy-pasting exists, but that's not a common problem unless you're talking Category 5 Wank. But on tumblr, once it's out there it's trivial for text to be reblogged beyond the scope you intended it for—the system practically encourages such behavior.

It's not that nothing nasty ever happened on LJ; it's just that tumblr is not and was never meant to be a discussion platform. It's a sharing platform, which is great and useful, but not the same thing.

And as far as your suggestion that I or anybody else simply seeking a discussion just use another platform, well, yes—except tumblr is Where Fandom Is now, and I'm not the kind of tectonic-plate-level BNF that can simply decide to have my fandom conversations somewhere else. I have to go where the conversation already is. And right now, whether I like it or not, that's tumblr.